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Labor denies the science
Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:33pm

Labor censors Dr Dennis Jensen — denies peer reviewed science

The Labor Party claim they think science is important:

”We can’t let this debate be waylaid by people who don’t accept the science,” Ms Gillard said in May.

Yet, when Dr Dennis Jensen wanted to table peer reviewed papers on the Parliamentary record this week, Kate Ellis refused to allow it. Jensen is the only PhD scientist in the Australian Parliament and the papers are directly relevant to the policy under discussion.

The ALP will accept an unaudited foreign committee report, whole, without question, but not scientific evidence from an elected Australian representative. Who are the climate science deniers? Is it the same team that calls people mindless denigrating names

The papers that Labor won’t allow Dr Jensen to table:
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/09/labor-censors-dennis-jensen-denies-peer-reviewe...

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/politics/Dr%20Dennis%20Jensen-Media%20Release-Lab...

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Labor denies the science Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:37pm Its rumored that they are accepting Climate Change advice from an Economist - some d1ck called Garnaut
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Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 1:55pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

Labor censors Dr Dennis Jensen — denies peer reviewed science

The Labor Party claim they think science is important:

”We can’t let this debate be waylaid by people who don’t accept the science,” Ms Gillard said in May.

Yet, when Dr Dennis Jensen wanted to table peer reviewed papers on the Parliamentary record this week, Kate Ellis refused to allow it. Jensen is the only PhD scientist in the Australian Parliament and the papers are directly relevant to the policy under discussion.

The ALP will accept an unaudited foreign committee report, whole, without question, but not scientific evidence from an elected Australian representative. Who are the climate science deniers? Is it the same team that calls people mindless denigrating names

The papers that Labor won’t allow Dr Jensen to table:
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/09/labor-censors-dennis-jensen-denies-peer-reviewe...

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/politics/Dr%20Dennis%20Jensen-Media%20Release-Lab...

ah moagoo, you've done it again. Grin

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Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 3:09pm

LOL - this Government doesn't want to know. They have their heads in the sand and those who are a bit claustrophobic are sitting there with fingers in ears (and eyes) going la-la-la-la-la as loud as they can.

When Group-think says the science is settled - it's settled and that's that. They won't bother researching the truth.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Labor denies the science Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 3:15pm But isnt the science 'settled'??? and this week we discover that Einstein's theory of relativity may not be totally accurate!! and that has been 'settled' for over 100 years.
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Reply #5 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 3:15pm:

But isnt the science 'settled'???

and this week we discover that Einstein's theory of relativity may not be totally accurate!! and that has been 'settled' for over 100 years.

i have been saying that forever... only it usually doesnt take that long for them to change their minds..lol..

as it is science goes right over my head... however I dont agree with if 95% of scientists agree......so we should ignore the 5% that dont..

if you check out the other side of the argument you usually find they have some substance..

in this case to me.. we are jumping in with the

FEAR FACTOR. and PANIC BUTTON PUSHERS..what a shame its really all distorted now, well for me anyway..

I can see merit in Taxing the mines more I really can.. we need to make as much as possible whilst the sun shines...

however to TAx it at the rate they are talking for the reasons they are talking I dont believe in.. sorry... how taxing something will change anything I dont know...taxing smokes doesnt stop people smoking..

education does that.

its the same with cleaning the place up as far as I know clean up Australia day hasnt stopped the amount of rubbish found.. but it will eventually.. we live in hope..

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Labor denies the science Reply #6 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm Polluters should pay to pollute to encourage better and cleaner ways of doing things. The carbon tax is just a simple way of making the polluters pay..who cares who believes what when it comes to the science as long as ALL polluters are paying.
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Reply #7 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:41pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

Polluters should pay to pollute to encourage better and cleaner ways of doing things.
The carbon tax is just a simple way of making the polluters pay..who cares who believes what when it comes to the science as long as ALL polluters are paying.

Except that they already pay tax on their profits and their employees pay tax on their incomes . The carbon tax is just another production expense to add to everything else.

What little the Govt gains in carbon tax revenue after pork barrelling will be lost in reduced income tax revenues from lost business and increased welfare expenses from increased unemployment.

Why threaten our jobs? Sad

All so Juliar & Rudd and Swan can feel good at parties. Angry

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Reply #8 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:14pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:41pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

Polluters should pay to pollute to encourage better and cleaner ways of doing things.
The carbon tax is just a simple way of making the polluters pay..who cares who believes what when it comes to the science as long as ALL polluters are paying.

Except that they already pay tax on their profits and their employees pay tax on their incomes . The carbon tax is just another production expense to add to everything else.

What little the Govt gains in carbon tax revenue after pork barrelling will be lost in reduced income tax revenues from lost business and increased welfare expenses from increased unemployment.

Why threaten our jobs? Sad

All so Juliar & Rudd and Swan can feel good at parties. Angry

Paying to pollute is very different from paying the same taxes all businesses pay whether they produce pollution or not.
Why should future generations pay to clean up our out of control addiction for polluting?
Economists know the quickest and best way to change peoples bad habits is to hit them in the wallets and those that refuse to change only have themselves to blame not the govt, not the scientists and certainly not the previous or next generations of Aussies.
Burning carbon is polluting our atmosphere and wasting valuable fossil energy sources..its the height of stupidity

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Reply #9 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:24pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

Polluters should pay to pollute to encourage better and cleaner ways of doing things.
The carbon tax is just a simple way of making the polluters pay..who cares who believes what when it comes to the science as long as ALL polluters are paying.

if they are going to keep on polluting... how is that saving the planet?????

it doesnt make sense all they will do is charge more for their products..

what good is it doing????..no logic at all.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Labor denies the science Reply #10 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:26pm adel for the life of me I cant see the James Packers of this world buying smaller yachts..and living in house with only one light bulb in them I cant see it happening.. funnily enough I can see myself living in a house with one light bulb in it.
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Reply #11 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:33pm

cods wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

Polluters should pay to pollute to encourage better and cleaner ways of doing things.
The carbon tax is just a simple way of making the polluters pay..who cares who believes what when it comes to the science as long as ALL polluters are paying.

if they are going to keep on polluting... how is that saving the planet?????

it doesnt make sense all they will do is charge more for their products..

what good is it doing????..no logic at all.

Because it makes it cheaper to buy products and services from non pollutiing companies.
In the end the polluters are forced to change their ways simply by the financial pressures put on them.

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Reply #12 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:43pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:33pm:

cods wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 7:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

Polluters should pay to pollute to encourage better and cleaner ways of doing things.
The carbon tax is just a simple way of making the polluters pay..who cares who believes what when it comes to the science as long as ALL polluters are paying.

if they are going to keep on polluting... how is that saving the planet?????

it doesnt make sense all they will do is charge more for their products..

what good is it doing????..no logic at all.

Because it makes it cheaper to buy products and services from non pollutiing companies.
In the end the polluters are forced to change their ways simply by the financial pressures put on them.

how can you non pollute and turn out the same thing??..

I think that is all pie in the sky to be honest.how much carbon is created in producing an elkectric car... how much carbon is produced to make the power to run that car..and its batteries..are those batteries bio.deg?

I do know those windmills use an enormous amount of energy and water each and everyone of them..just to make them..

it all seem to bluff to talk about non polluters as if they dont cause any...I say thats impossible..

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Reply #13 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 8:16pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:

Polluters should pay to pollute to encourage better and cleaner ways of doing things.
The carbon tax is just a simple way of making the polluters pay..who cares who believes what when it comes to the science as long as ALL polluters are paying.

You keep saying that, but if it is environmentalism, then it should be about environmentalism, not CO2.

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Reply #14 - Sep 27^th, 2011 at 10:02am

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

Labor censors Dr Dennis Jensen — denies peer reviewed science

The Labor Party claim they think science is important:

”We can’t let this debate be waylaid by people who don’t accept the science,” Ms Gillard said in May.

Yet, when Dr Dennis Jensen wanted to table peer reviewed papers on the Parliamentary record this week, Kate Ellis refused to allow it. Jensen is the only PhD scientist in the Australian Parliament and the papers are directly relevant to the policy under discussion.

The ALP will accept an unaudited foreign committee report, whole, without question, but not scientific evidence from an elected Australian representative. Who are the climate science deniers? Is it the same team that calls people mindless denigrating names

The papers that Labor won’t allow Dr Jensen to table:
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/09/labor-censors-dennis-jensen-denies-peer-reviewe...

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/politics/Dr%20Dennis%20Jensen-Media%20Release-Lab...

Labor will do anything to silence anyone who does not agree with their introduction of another new tax.

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