Yadda wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 9:31pm:


The Crusades began with the lies of the Christian Pope Urban II.


A speech given by Urban II in 1095 reveals his lies:


"[Muslims have] invaded the lands of Christians and has depopulated them by the sword , pillage and fire...[Muslims] destroyed the churches...They circumcise the Christians...When they wish to torture people by a base death, they perforate their navels, and dragging forth the extremity of the intestines, bind it to a stake; then with a flogging they lead the victim around until the viscera having gushed forth the victim falls prostrate..."


This incitement to hatred was based on lies.


The reality was that Christian lived peacefully under Muslim rule.


In fact, it was under the Crusaders that Christians in the Middle East faced danger.


The first towns to face massacre at the hands of Crusaders were Christian towns.


When the Crusaders eventually arrived in Jerusalem, they slaughtered everbody man, woman and child in the city - a large percentage of whom were Christians.


Yes Crusaders slaughtered thousands of Christians. Their crime? They had been living under Muslim rule!


In Jerusalem, the Crusaders slaughtered 70, 000 civilians! Muslims, Christians and Jews all massacred even the suckling babes.

French Abbot Raymond of Agiles, an eyewitness to the Crusader crimes in Jerusalem, wrote:

“When our men took the main defences, we saw astonishing things amongst the Saracens. Some were beheaded, and that’s the least that could happen to them. Others were pierced through and so threw themselves from the heights of the walls; others after having suffered at length were thrown in to the flames.”

Raymond continues: “We could see in the roads and in the places of Jerusalem bits and pieces of heads, hands, and feet. Everywhere we could only walk through cadavers. But all that was only little…” He wrote the Mosque of Omar; “There was so much blood in the old temple of Solomon that dead corpses swam in it. We could see hands floating and arms that went to glue themselves to bodies that were not theirs; we could not distinguish which arm belonged to which body. The men who were doing the killing could hardly bar the smoke from the corpses.” (Abbot Raymond of Agiles; in G. Le Bon: LA Civilisation des Arabs; Syracuse; 1884, p 249).



Previously, in 1098, Crusaders had captured Ma’arat an’Numan, a Syrian city near Aleppo. Christian chronicler Robert the Monk wrote:

“‘Our men …. walked through the roads, places, on the roofs, and feasted on the slaughter just like a lioness who had her cubs taken from her. They cut into pieces, and put to death children, the young and the old crumbling under the weight of years. They did that in groups…our men grabbed everybody who fell into their hands....Streams of blood ran on the roads of the city; and everywhere lay corpses. Oh blinded nations and destined to death; none of that multitude accepted the Christian faith. At last Bohemond brought out all those he had first invited to lock themselves in the tower of the place. He ordered that all old women be put to death, and also old men, whose age had rendered useless; then all the rest he ordered to be take to Antioch to be sold as slaves. This massacre of the Turks took place on 1 December (1098); on Sunday; but on this day not all work could be accomplished; so the following day our men killed the rest.



Radulph of Caen: “In Maarra our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking pots they impaled children on spits and devoured them grilled.” (In Janet Abu Lughod: Before European Hegemony; OUP, 1989 p.107). William of Tyre said common practices for crusaders to roast and eat flesh of Turks.


William of Tyre: “The place was inundated with the blood …. We could not watch without horror that multitude of deaths, their limbs scattered laying on the ground on all sides, and the flood of blood inundating the surface of the ground.”[7]

Raymond of Aguilers commented: “It was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers … the city was filled with corpses and blood.”

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Not much has changed in the last millennium regarding Christian truthfulness when it comes to Islam and Muslims has it? Still the same old lies and propaganda, to justify coming in and invading and murdering Muslims.

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That's a pretty shallow way to look at things. Strength regularly wanes, might does not make right. The truth and the right is not with the West & Israel, and that will eventually be their downfall.

Although I think you'd genuinely like to believe this stuff Soren, your [over-]reaction (and that of Western 'civilisation' in general) to Islam suggests you don't believe it for a second.

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:07pm:



Hmmm, a new word.

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ordinary Arabs must wish the whole of the Middle East was run by the Jews:

The life of a 17-year-old Palestinian girl from Rafah in Gaza was saved by Kaplan Medical Centre doctors after she fell from a malfunctioning ferris wheel near her home and was critically injured.

Three months after the accident, she is out of danger, but her doctors are trying to collect funds to enable her to undergo abroad a small-intestine transplant, which is unavailable here.

“I wish for peace between us and Israel,” Abir Abu-Nakira said. “Kaplan physicians saved me.”

Dr. Yoram Klein, director of the trauma and urgent surgery department in the Rehovot hospital, said Abir was brought to Kaplan after being held for four hours in a Palestinian Authority hospital, but the staff couldn’t save her. She was unconscious with severe abdominal injuries, requiring surgeons to perform several lifesaving operations.