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Reply #15 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:28pm
 
Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through  when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.



Hope you are right.
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Reply #16 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:44pm
 
Hello macca, long time no see, so to speak. 

Am I right about this -

1.  Gillard gets into the Political bed with the loopy Greens so she can form Goverment
2.  Brown proceeds to call the shots and Gillard obeys
3.  The Greens are behind the "air we breath" tax and Julia obeys because she must have their support
4.  But then, Brown won't support Gillard's people trading Policy of sending refugees/illegals to Malaya, a country not a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention.  Gillard said she would never send refugees to such a country.........ho, hum
5.  Gillard now attacks the Libs because she can't get her stinking way.  Why isn't she attacking Bob Brown and his merry band of loonies?  They are her partners in her watermelon alliance after all.
6.  According to Gillard, she is the only one who can run Australia, only she is right and only she is acting in the 'NATIONAL INTEREST". 

I must have heard her and her cronies mention the slogan "national interest" dozens and dozens of times in recent days.  It's a pity she didn't think of that when she and her mates went on a $billion upon $billion upon $billion spendathon with taxpayers money.  It's a pity she didn't think of that when she and her mates dismantled Howard's Pacific Solution, a solution that worked as it virtually stopped the boats in their tracks, and stopped the terrible drownings at sea as well.

But no, it's all Abbott's fault.  Gillard is blaming others for something that she and her mates did.  But that's what Labor do well, isn't it?

What I can't understand is how Laborites on here and also other blog sites, attempt to defend the indefensible....what a sorry lot they are
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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #17 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:22pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:28pm:
Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through  when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.



Hope you are right.



If Abbott gets a big enough majority at the next election (which is very likely), stand by for a double dissolution at the first sign of Senate (ie Green) obscurantism. If the electorate gives Abbott a big majority, it will still support him if he can show that the Greens are acting against his pre-election policies that got him elected.

So if Abbott wins big, the Greens will be wiped out soon after as Abbott will still get over 50% of the vote in a double dissolution. The Greens will be out in the cold for 8 years - a very long time for a minor party. Brown will be gone and the green and red factions will tear the party apart.







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Reply #18 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:36pm
 


Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:22pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:28pm:
Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through  when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.



Hope you are right.



If Abbott gets a big enough majority at the next election (which is very likely), stand by for a double dissolution at the first sign of Senate (ie Green) obscurantism. If the electorate gives Abbott a big majority, it will still support him if he can show that the Greens are acting against his pre-election policies that got him elected.

So if Abbott wins big, the Greens will be wiped out soon after as Abbott will still get over 50% of the vote in a double dissolution. The Greens will be out in the cold for 8 years - a very long time for a minor party. Brown will be gone and the green and red factions will tear the party apart.





Even if Tony Abbott manages to force a DD, methinks you are overestimating the popularity of an incumbent who would mess with our democracy thus!

Abbott has already demonstrated a flagrant disregard for both parliamentary and judicial processes - and a willingness to dispense with his own party's principles in the process...

Don't bet on the general public putting up with Abbott's incessant crap on an indefinite basis!

I'd still wager that Abbott's Tropposition is the most popular opposition never to be elected!

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Reply #19 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 11:47pm
 
You've got it back to front, numpty bird.

Abbott will not force a DD - the Greens will because they will have no choice. To retain credibility, they will have to oppose an Abbott government. Their success at the last election will be the rope they will b hung by at the next.

If the current polls are reproduced in an election, the Abbott majority in the Lower House will be massive, giving him a comfortable margin to take on the Greens. It will be a case of the Grens finding themselves opposing a government that has an even bigger mandate than they do. So the Greens will be wiped out of the Senate in a DD.

Howard will be GG,  Costello the Governor of the Reserve Bank.
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Reply #20 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 12:59am
 
Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through  when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.



How many seats will the ALP and/or Greens win with those numbers?

How many seats are up for re-election in 2013
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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #21 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 6:54am
 
Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through  when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.


Will you also think it wonderful when a few more boats are lost at sea with all hands, or more boats end up on the rocks at Christmas Island?
Some silver lining that is.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #22 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:26am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 6:54am:
Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through  when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.


Will you also think it wonderful when a few more boats are lost at sea with all hands, or more boats end up on the rocks at Christmas Island?
Some silver lining that is.



OUCH!!

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Reply #23 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:45am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:45pm:
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The Prime Minister today accused Mr Abbott of neglecting the national interest by refusing to back Labor's Malaysian Solution, saying he was “terrified Malaysia would work”.

“His political opposition will see more boats come to this country - that's how reckless he's being,”
Ms Gillard told ABC radio.



Sums it up nicely.


hardly. Labor mucked up a WORKING policy and then wants abbott to support this amoral incompetent legislation? pass.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #24 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:46am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:59pm:
Watch cspan from capitial hill and you'll know Tony's next move.
His playing from the exact same playbook as the repugs over there.
Power at all costs, never mind the damage, we'll try and clean it up once we are in power.


i think you are referring to labor there. the party with less seats, less votes but formed a govt. 'POWER AT ALL COSTS' (J Gillard 2010)
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Reply #25 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:48am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:53pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:45pm:
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The Prime Minister today accused Mr Abbott of neglecting the national interest by refusing to back Labor's Malaysian Solution, saying he was “terrified Malaysia would work”.

“His political opposition will see more boats come to this country - that's how reckless he's being,”
Ms Gillard told ABC radio.



Sums it up nicely.



That's utter stupidity even by your standard dna

Labor created this mess and they are trying to allocate blame

If Abbott did the same you would be scream blue murder



If Abbott wants to block fixing the problem he should be happy to accept the blame for the results of his action - its very obviously what he deserves.


so what happened to your beloeved Greens? they are labors coalition partner. blame THEM.
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Reply #26 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:50am
 
Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:20pm:
I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through  when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.


it is a pity your bleeding heart is matched by a bleeding brain. once onshore processing starts the people smugglers wont have enough boats or staff to meet the demand.
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Reply #27 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:51am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 11:47pm:
You've got it back to front, numpty bird.

Abbott will not force a DD - the Greens will because they will have no choice. To retain credibility, they will have to oppose an Abbott government. Their success at the last election will be the rope they will b hung by at the next.

If the current polls are reproduced in an election, the Abbott majority in the Lower House will be massive, giving him a comfortable margin to take on the Greens. It will be a case of the Grens finding themselves opposing a government that has an even bigger mandate than they do. So the Greens will be wiped out of the Senate in a DD.

Howard will be GG,  Costello the Governor of the Reserve Bank.



Interesting point

The Greens generally oppose LIBs policies

So Brown will have to justify why he supports Abbott

Without it he'll lose what's left of his credibility
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Reply #28 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:53am
 
bluejay7 wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 9:44pm:
Hello macca, long time no see, so to speak.  

Am I right about this -

1.  Gillard gets into the Political bed with the loopy Greens so she can form Goverment
YES

2.  Brown proceeds to call the shots and Gillard obeys
YES

3.  The Greens are behind the "air we breath" tax and Julia obeys because she must have their support
YES

4.  But then, Brown won't support Gillard's people trading Policy of sending refugees/illegals to Malaya, a country not a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention.  Gillard said she would never send refugees to such a country.........ho, hum
YES

5.  Gillard now attacks the Libs because she can't get her stinking way.  Why isn't she attacking Bob Brown and his merry band of loonies?  They are her partners in her watermelon alliance after all.
YES. Because she can't upset the apple cart

6.  According to Gillard, she is the only one who can run Australia, only she is right and only she is acting in the 'NATIONAL INTEREST".  
YES


I must have heard her and her cronies mention the slogan "national interest" dozens and dozens of times in recent days.  It's a pity she didn't think of that when she and her mates went on a $billion upon $billion upon $billion spendathon with taxpayers money.  It's a pity she didn't think of that when she and her mates dismantled Howard's Pacific Solution, a solution that worked as it virtually stopped the boats in their tracks, and stopped the terrible drownings at sea as well.

But no, it's all Abbott's fault.  Gillard is blaming others for something that she and her mates did.  But that's what Labor do well, isn't it?
YES


What I can't understand is how Laborites on here and also other blog sites, attempt to defend the indefensible....what a sorry lot they are



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Reply #29 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 9:17am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:48am:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:53pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:45pm:
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The Prime Minister today accused Mr Abbott of neglecting the national interest by refusing to back Labor's Malaysian Solution, saying he was “terrified Malaysia would work”.

“His political opposition will see more boats come to this country - that's how reckless he's being,”
Ms Gillard told ABC radio.



Sums it up nicely.



That's utter stupidity even by your standard dna

Labor created this mess and they are trying to allocate blame

If Abbott did the same you would be scream blue murder



If Abbott wants to block fixing the problem he should be happy to accept the blame for the results of his action - its very obviously what he deserves.


so what happened to your beloeved Greens? they are labors coalition partner. blame THEM.



The greens are standing by their beliefs on the issue - I would support their position.

All I am pointing out is that it is supposedly Abbott who wants to stop the boats but it is also Abbott who is trying his best to block the legislation which would stop the boats, Makes you wonder if he really likes the boats arriving - he does get good political mileage from it.

I suspect that the last thing in the world that Abbott would want is for the boats to stop coming to Australia.

I am personally not in favour of anyones off shore solution - just pointing out Mr Abbotts usual hypocricy in both supporting and opposing all issues all at the same time.

My Abbott is very reliable when it comes to blowing in the wind.
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