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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #660 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

I think we can all safely conclude that namnugenot was just repeating a lie he's seen on the internet and can't actually back the claim up with anything. We can safely ignore namnugenot as a kook.

That's what you always do just fill in the "facts" to suit yourself.
"Unprecedented" you say... boy you're just dumber than a bag of hammers.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #661 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

So let's get this clear, because there was abrupt climate change in the past when we were transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period this current climate change cannot be driven by anthropogenic factors. That's a non sequitur, namnugenot.

Is your answer to the position you wanted me to take rather than what was stated easier for you?...it just shows how dishonest you are.

Stop talking in riddles, namnugenot. If I misrepresented your position all you need to do is restate your true position. That's what people do when they are asked to clarify their position.

You constantly misrepresent because you are basically dishonest...but you make me laugh...
"I said 10 + 4 in < a couple of decades and I'm happy to stick by that...now how about either of you 2 (now 3) ladies nailing your nuts to the mast and going with Uppity's statement (that I said was crap) that warming of a magnitude 0.8C in a century is unprecedented."

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #662 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 4:45pm

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

So let's get this clear, because there was abrupt climate change in the past when we were transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period this current climate change cannot be driven by anthropogenic factors. That's a non sequitur, namnugenot.

Is your answer to the position you wanted me to take rather than what was stated easier for you?...it just shows how dishonest you are.

Stop talking in riddles, namnugenot. If I misrepresented your position all you need to do is restate your true position. That's what people do when they are asked to clarify their position.

You constantly misrepresent because you are basically dishonest...but you make me laugh...
"I said 10 + 4 in < a couple of decades and I'm happy to stick by that...now how about either of you 2 (now 3) ladies nailing your nuts to the mast and going with Uppity's statement (that I said was crap) that warming of a magnitude 0.8C in a century is unprecedented."

You're confused, namnugenot, no one has said that a warming of 0.8C in a century is unprecedented. You've been asked on several occasions to source your claim that there was abrupt warming during the Younger Dryas period. A time when our climate was transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period. So rapid change is unlikely to be inconsistent with our current understanding of climate change. How about you quote your source rather than playing some sort of childish game. Until you do, why shouldnt the default assumption be that you are making it up.

I'm sure your numbers come from somewhere and I for one would like to know the proxies used and how localised the evidence might be.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #663 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 8:29pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 4:45pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

So let's get this clear, because there was abrupt climate change in the past when we were transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period this current climate change cannot be driven by anthropogenic factors. That's a non sequitur, namnugenot.

Is your answer to the position you wanted me to take rather than what was stated easier for you?...it just shows how dishonest you are.

Stop talking in riddles, namnugenot. If I misrepresented your position all you need to do is restate your true position. That's what people do when they are asked to clarify their position.

You constantly misrepresent because you are basically dishonest...but you make me laugh...
"I said 10 + 4 in < a couple of decades and I'm happy to stick by that...now how about either of you 2 (now 3) ladies nailing your nuts to the mast and going with Uppity's statement (that I said was crap) that warming of a magnitude 0.8C in a century is unprecedented."

You're confused, namnugenot, no one has said that a warming of 0.8C in a century is unprecedented. You've been asked on several occasions to source your claim that there was abrupt warming during the Younger Dryas period. A time when our climate was transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period. So rapid change is unlikely to be inconsistent with our current understanding of climate change. How about you quote your source rather than playing some sort of childish game. Until you do, why shouldnt the default assumption be that you are making it up.

I'm sure your numbers come from somewhere and I for one would like to know the proxies used and how localised the evidence might be.

Me: "So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented..."

Uppitty: "Oh yeah? Which data? Citations please."

That sounds like saying it's unprecedented to me. So no confusion on my end.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #664 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 10:29pm

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 4:45pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

So let's get this clear, because there was abrupt climate change in the past when we were transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period this current climate change cannot be driven by anthropogenic factors. That's a non sequitur, namnugenot.

Is your answer to the position you wanted me to take rather than what was stated easier for you?...it just shows how dishonest you are.

Stop talking in riddles, namnugenot. If I misrepresented your position all you need to do is restate your true position. That's what people do when they are asked to clarify their position.

You constantly misrepresent because you are basically dishonest...but you make me laugh...
"I said 10 + 4 in < a couple of decades and I'm happy to stick by that...now how about either of you 2 (now 3) ladies nailing your nuts to the mast and going with Uppity's statement (that I said was crap) that warming of a magnitude 0.8C in a century is unprecedented."

You're confused, namnugenot, no one has said that a warming of 0.8C in a century is unprecedented. You've been asked on several occasions to source your claim that there was abrupt warming during the Younger Dryas period. A time when our climate was transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period. So rapid change is unlikely to be inconsistent with our current understanding of climate change. How about you quote your source rather than playing some sort of childish game. Until you do, why shouldnt the default assumption be that you are making it up.

I'm sure your numbers come from somewhere and I for one would like to know the proxies used and how localised the evidence might be.

Me: "So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented..."

Uppitty: "Oh yeah? Which data? Citations please."

That sounds like saying it's unprecedented to me. So no confusion on my end.

Still waiting for your reference champ.

Just making stuff up doesn't count

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #665 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 3:37am

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Isotope data from the GISP2 Greenland ice core suggests that Greenland was more than~10°C colder during the Younger Dryas and that the sudden warming of 10° ±4°C that ended the Younger Dryas occurred in only about 40 to 50. years.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/19/the-intriguing-problem-of-the-younger-drya...

It seems that namnugenot got his information from WUWT and an article from Easterbrook.

I'm guessing this is the source of his information.

Quote:

Cuffey, K.M., and G.D. Clow, "Temperature, accumulation, and ice sheet elevation in central Greenland throughout the last deglacial transition", Journal of Geophysical Research, 102, 383-396, 1997.

Or from here.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/alley2000/alley2000.html

Well let's hear Dr. Richard Alley has to say about the GISP2 data.

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First off, no single temperature record from anywhere can prove or disprove global warming, because the temperature is a local record, and one site is not the whole world. One of the lessons drawn from comparing Greenland to Antarctica and many other places is that some of the temperature changes (the ice-age cycling) are very widespread and shared among most records, but other of the temperature changes (sometimes called millennial, or abrupt, or Younger-Dryas-type) are antiphased between Greenland and the south, and still other temperature changes may be unrelated between different places (one anomalously cold year in Greenland does not tell you the temperature anomaly in Australia or Peru).

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So, using GISP2 data to argue against global warming is, well, stupid, or misguided, or misled, or something, but surely not scientifically sensible. And, using GISP2 data within the larger picture of climate science demonstrates that our scientific understanding is good, supports our expectation of global warming, but raises the small-chance-of-big-problem issue that in turn influences the discussion of optimal human response.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/richard-alley-on-old-ice-climate-an...

The scary part is that we have had abrupt climate change in the past and there are no guarantees us mucking around with the thermostat won't set off another one.

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« Last Edit: Sep 9^th, 2012 at 4:03am by MOTR »

Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #666 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 3:41am
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #667 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 1:18pm MOTR wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 3:41am: HEAT CONTENT!
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #668 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 7:02pm I'm surprised that the undersea volcanoes haven't been raised yet. It's always good for a laugh.
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rabbitoh07 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2783 Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #669 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 7:24pm muso wrote on Mar 1^st, 2013 at 7:02pm: I'm surprised that the undersea volcanoes haven't been raised yet. It's always good for a laugh. Yes. Whatever happened to Gold Medal? That was one of his favourite insane rantings.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #670 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 1:09am an nbn referendum scares abbott silyways!!
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #671 - Mar 3^rd, 2013 at 1:19am we will see it will we not?/ it is unfolding before us .....
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