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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #645 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:17pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:25pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

I suppose past changes were magic also.

Of course not. We know what has caused past climate changes and we know the role that CO2 played in those changes. Well, when I say 'we' I mean those of us who have taken the time to understand the science, not people like you who reject it without ever bothering to understand the issue.

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Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

Oh yeah? Which data? Citations please.

You know jack/s. I reject crap dished up as science comprising almost complete myopic speculation.
Do your own legwork. It won't be hard to find even with your obvious limitations.

Ahhh..the time honoured bleat of someone caught making stuff up!

The only ones here making stuff up is you lot.

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are waiting for the reference.

And that's pretty much all you do...like I said not hard to find...you have to earn your treat...you can do it you special little guy!!!

It must be embarrassing being caught red-handed making stuff up like this.

Well Uppitty must have found it seeing as he was who the answer was addressed to and he has not been back. Still you lot never seem to step up and say you were wrong like mature and decent adults. So your contention is that rapid climate change has never happened in the past? Or at least never faster than what you say is happening now?

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are waiting for the reference.

How's those bunnies winning 2 from their last 4 and both wins against lower rungers, well parra would have to be the tuck-shop ladies of the comp. Must be terrible for you getting to the finals and watching it all just evaporate.
Is that why your so angry? Or were your parents cold and remote, you got bullied at school, didn't do so well in class, can't seem to maintain a stable relationship with any of your boyfriends...

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #646 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 4:48pm

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:25pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

I suppose past changes were magic also.

Of course not. We know what has caused past climate changes and we know the role that CO2 played in those changes. Well, when I say 'we' I mean those of us who have taken the time to understand the science, not people like you who reject it without ever bothering to understand the issue.

Quote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

Oh yeah? Which data? Citations please.

You know jack/s. I reject crap dished up as science comprising almost complete myopic speculation.
Do your own legwork. It won't be hard to find even with your obvious limitations.

Ahhh..the time honoured bleat of someone caught making stuff up!

The only ones here making stuff up is you lot.

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are waiting for the reference.

And that's pretty much all you do...like I said not hard to find...you have to earn your treat...you can do it you special little guy!!!

It must be embarrassing being caught red-handed making stuff up like this.

Well Uppitty must have found it seeing as he was who the answer was addressed to and he has not been back. Still you lot never seem to step up and say you were wrong like mature and decent adults. So your contention is that rapid climate change has never happened in the past? Or at least never faster than what you say is happening now?

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are waiting for the reference.

How's those bunnies winning 2 from their last 4 and both wins against lower rungers, well parra would have to be the tuck-shop ladies of the comp. Must be terrible for you getting to the finals and watching it all just evaporate.
Is that why your so angry? Or were your parents cold and remote, you got bullied at school, didn't do so well in class, can't seem to maintain a stable relationship with any of your boyfriends...

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are STILL waiting for the reference.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #647 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:45pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:25pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

I suppose past changes were magic also.

Of course not. We know what has caused past climate changes and we know the role that CO2 played in those changes. Well, when I say 'we' I mean those of us who have taken the time to understand the science, not people like you who reject it without ever bothering to understand the issue.

Quote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

Oh yeah? Which data? Citations please.

You know jack/s. I reject crap dished up as science comprising almost complete myopic speculation.
Do your own legwork. It won't be hard to find even with your obvious limitations.

Ahhh..the time honoured bleat of someone caught making stuff up!

The only ones here making stuff up is you lot.

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are waiting for the reference.

And that's pretty much all you do...like I said not hard to find...you have to earn your treat...you can do it you special little guy!!!

It must be embarrassing being caught red-handed making stuff up like this.

Well Uppitty must have found it seeing as he was who the answer was addressed to and he has not been back. Still you lot never seem to step up and say you were wrong like mature and decent adults. So your contention is that rapid climate change has never happened in the past? Or at least never faster than what you say is happening now?

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are waiting for the reference.

How's those bunnies winning 2 from their last 4 and both wins against lower rungers, well parra would have to be the tuck-shop ladies of the comp. Must be terrible for you getting to the finals and watching it all just evaporate.
Is that why your so angry? Or were your parents cold and remote, you got bullied at school, didn't do so well in class, can't seem to maintain a stable relationship with any of your boyfriends...

You wrote:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?
It's only inexplicable to you because you can't image a senario where you don't know everything.

We are STILL waiting for the reference.

Tapping your foot no doubt...

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #648 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:38pm What are you scared about, citing a paper that contradicts your position.
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namnugenot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 NSW Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #649 - Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:17pm MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:38pm: What are you scared about, citing a paper that contradicts your position. Oh your back...I missed you.
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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #650 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:17am

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

What are you scared about, citing a paper that contradicts your position.

Oh your back...I missed you.

Oh - so now you will be posting your evidence to support your statement:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented. Or are we underestimating the CO2 production of cave dwellers campfires?

??

Or will you just post more diversions and effectively confirm you were making things up?

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #651 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 2:07am namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:17pm: MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:38pm: What are you scared about, citing a paper that contradicts your position. Oh your back...I missed you. Not only have you bought Lord Monckton's snake oil, you've got the same heart for honest debate.
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Reply #652 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 8:43am

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 2:07am:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

What are you scared about, citing a paper that contradicts your position.

Oh your back...I missed you.

Not only have you bought Lord Monckton's snake oil, you've got the same heart for honest debate.

From the person who continually brings no proof of his own to the table....ever. You know you guys are probably onto something because whenever you do put what you have on the block it gets smashed...so probably best to stick to the tactic of just sitting back in your coward's castle and getting others to put up evidence to a standard that you cannot even hope to get. Oh things were different back then you bleat...the continents were different, the currents were different, it was the Milankovich cycles (which even the proponents of cannot agree on as to actual effects or when or what they mean) and my very own favourite the sun was only 75% as luminous back then (well Muso was only a piffling 4 billion years out on that one...laughed so I hard I nearly ruptured myself).
Well the Younger dryas there were no different as to continental configuration, currents, luminosity, anthropogenic factors...so all these are all off the table.

So no evidence of abrupt climate change here ya reckon?...

I said 10 + 4 in < a couple of decades and I'm happy to stick by that...now how about either of you 2 ladies nailing your nuts to the mast and going with Uppity's statement (that I said was crap) that warming of a magnitude 0.8C in a century is unprecedented.

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Reply #653 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 8:51am

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 8:43am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 2:07am:

namnugenot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

What are you scared about, citing a paper that contradicts your position.

Oh your back...I missed you.

Not only have you bought Lord Monckton's snake oil, you've got the same heart for honest debate.

From the person who continually brings no proof of his own to the table....ever. You know you guys are probably onto something because whenever you do put what you have on the block it gets smashed...so probably best to stick to the tactic of just sitting back in your coward's castle and getting others to put up evidence to a standard that you cannot even hope to get. Oh things were different back then you bleat...the continents were different, the currents were different, it was the Milankovich cycles (which even the proponents of cannot agree on as to actual effects or when or what they mean) and my very own favourite the sun was only 75% as luminous back then (well Muso was only a piffling 4 billion years out on that one...laughed so I hard I nearly ruptured myself).
Well the Younger dryas there were no different as to continental configuration, currents, luminosity, anthropogenic factors...so all these are all off the table.

So no evidence of abrupt climate change here ya reckon?...

I said 10 + 4 in < a couple of decades and I'm happy to stick by that...now how about either of you 2 ladies nailing your nuts to the mast and going with Uppity's statement (that I said was crap) that warming of a magnitude 0.8C in a century is unprecedented.

So do you do this a lot? Make up stupid stuff to post on websites - then when asked to provide evidence, carry on like a sook?

Why don't you just post evidence for you statement:

Ice core data supports warming occurring much more rapidly at times than previously thought.
Like the plus 10C + 4C over a couple of decades or less during the Younger Dryas. So even if accurate 1C over a couple of decades is hardly unprecedented.

or apologise for making stuff up. OK?

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 38110 Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #654 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:01am i heard david attenborrough saying its melting. david seems like a smart and trustworthy guy i'll defer to his opinion
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #655 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:11am So let's get this clear, because there was abrupt climate change in the past when we were transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period this current climate change cannot be driven by anthropogenic factors. That's a non sequitur, namnugenot.
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Reply #656 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:17pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

So let's get this clear, because there was abrupt climate change in the past when we were transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period this current climate change cannot be driven by anthropogenic factors. That's a non sequitur, namnugenot.

Is your answer to the position you wanted me to take rather than what was stated easier for you?...it just shows how dishonest you are.

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Reply #657 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:32pm

namnugenot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 9:11am:

So let's get this clear, because there was abrupt climate change in the past when we were transitioning from an ice age to an interglacial period this current climate change cannot be driven by anthropogenic factors. That's a non sequitur, namnugenot.

Is your answer to the position you wanted me to take rather than what was stated easier for you?...it just shows how dishonest you are.

Stop talking in riddles, namnugenot. If I misrepresented your position all you need to do is restate your true position. That's what people do when they are asked to clarify their position.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #658 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:39pm They also provide their sources when called to account for what they present as facts.
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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #659 - Sep 8^th, 2012 at 1:16pm I think we can all safely conclude that namnugenot was just repeating a lie he's seen on the internet and can't actually back the claim up with anything. We can safely ignore namnugenot as a kook.
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