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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #45 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:09pm

toots wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

Frozen Planet was filmed over four years and is thought to have cost over 16 million pounds to produce. I love watching the show and was interested to know what conclusions David Attenborough had come to during that time about global warming and our contribution to it. Today I discover that America won’t see the last episode where Attenborough says he thinks we are responsible for the warming of the planet, they pulled it in case it hurt the sale of the series. Not sure if the same applies to Oz. Up to this point, he was a dedicated GW sceptic and what this respected icon thinks matters.

I'm not allowed to include the link but it's in The UK Telegraph and interesting reading.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN you're not allowed to include the link?

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toots Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #46 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:39pm When I tried to post with the link it said I wasn't allowed to until I had made 100 posts.
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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #47 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:20pm

toots wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

Frozen Planet was filmed over four years and is thought to have cost over 16 million pounds to produce. I love watching the show and was interested to know what conclusions David Attenborough had come to during that time about global warming and our contribution to it. Today I discover that America won’t see the last episode where Attenborough says he thinks we are responsible for the warming of the planet, they pulled it in case it hurt the sale of the series. Not sure if the same applies to Oz. Up to this point, he was a dedicated GW sceptic and what this respected icon thinks matters.

I'm not allowed to include the link but it's in The UK Telegraph and interesting reading.

I imagine it's one of these...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geoffreylean/100117249/attenborough-sets-out-t...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061663/Frozen-Planet-Climate-change-epi...

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toots Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #48 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:33pm Yes that's the one, he's made me rethink my opinion, being a GW sceptic myself.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #49 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:39pm toots wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:33pm: Yes that's the one, he's made me rethink my opinion, being a GW sceptic myself. Hmmm slightly maybe....but the fact that the melt rate is higher than previously observed can also be explained by natural causes.....
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toots Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #50 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:19pm Just did a quick check on Geoffrey Lean who wrote the article, he's a dedicated GW supporter, so maybe......
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GoddyofOz Gold Member Offline Vote 1 for Sex, cause you're gay if you don't Posts: 2397	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #51 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:36am The Conservative idiots in Greater West Sydney won't get flooded, so they need not care. Here in Queensland, we've already witnessed what we're up against.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #52 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 6:46am GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:36am: The Conservative idiots in Greater West Sydney won't get flooded, so they need not care. Here in Queensland, we've already witnessed what we're up against. That's possibly because here in Australia we tend to build our cities and towns on flood plains.....
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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #53 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 10:18am Just got back. Guess what??? Yup, you guessed it. The arctic ice is still there. Hmmm, funny that.
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #54 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:03am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 10:18am: Just got back. Guess what??? Yup, you guessed it. The arctic ice is still there. Hmmm, funny that. Primary school students would give a more intelligent contribution to the debate.
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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #55 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:29am

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:03am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 10:18am:

Just got back.
Guess what???
Yup, you guessed it.
The arctic ice is still there.
Hmmm, funny that.

Primary school students would give a more intelligent contribution to the debate.

Roll Eyes

Is that all you have to say?
Now is that your sole contribution to the debate then.
Great, well done, keep up the good work.
You forget that primary school students only parrot what their left wing hippie teacher told them to say in the first place.
And now all the little kiddies are coming home from primary school crying and terrified because they now believe the skies going to fall in and the planets going to melt away from underneath them.
Personally speaking, if I want the opinions of eight year olds, I'll give it to them.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #56 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:50am

"Overview of conditions
Average ice extent for September 2011 was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles), 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average. This was 310,000 square kilometers (120,000 square miles) above the average
for September 2007, the lowest monthly extent in the satellite record. Ice extent was below the 1979 to 2000 average everywhere except in the East Greenland Sea, where conditions were near average. "

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2011/100411.html

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #57 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

"Overview of conditions
Average ice extent for September 2011 was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles), 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average. This was 310,000 square kilometers (120,000 square miles) above the average
for September 2007, the lowest monthly extent in the satellite record. Ice extent was below the 1979 to 2000 average everywhere except in the East Greenland Sea, where conditions were near average. "

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2011/100411.html

Only 310,000 square kilometers above the average gizmo. Huh

Doesn't seem to be much shrinkage in there does it. Shocked

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #58 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 2:10pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

"Overview of conditions
Average ice extent for September 2011 was 4.61 million square kilometers (1.78 million square miles), 2.43 million square kilometers (938,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average. This was 310,000 square kilometers (120,000 square miles) above the average
for September 2007, the lowest monthly extent in the satellite record. Ice extent was below the 1979 to 2000 average everywhere except in the East Greenland Sea, where conditions were near average. "

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2011/100411.html

Only 310,000 square kilometers above the average gizmo. Huh

Doesn't seem to be much shrinkage in there does it. Shocked

Nope, and that was my reason for posting it....

Yes, the amount of ice is down from 1979 (when they started checking) but UP from 2007....

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #59 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 4:21pm Pretty normal for a strong La Nina year. The other factor that you have to consider is the thickness. You could say it was the La Nina from hell.
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