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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #405 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm

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US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #406 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:58am

MOTR wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

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US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

Somehow I don't think they were checking sea ice levels around in 1900 eh.
Gotta love extrapolation.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #407 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:04am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

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US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

Somehow I don't think they were checking sea ice levels around in 1900 eh.
Gotta love extrapolation.

Are you serious ?

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #408 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:45am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

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US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

Somehow I don't think they were checking sea ice levels around in 1900 eh.
Gotta love extrapolation.

Are you serious ?

Sure, why not?
No NASA, no IPCC, no weather bureau's, no planes, no UN, nothing.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #409 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:38pm

The yearly melt pattern is predictable. They wouldn't need to survey the entire polar cap, a few dated reference points would give an indication:
[In 1884 Johannesen sailed the Gjøa to the Kara Sea and thereafter he made annual voyages in arctic waters. In 1897 the Gjøa was off the east coast of Greenland, before she sailed east to Virgohamna bay in Svalbard where Swedish S.A. Andrée was preparing to set off for the North Pole with his hydrogen balloon “The Eagle” (Örnen). The following year Johannesen sailed the Gjøa past Novaya Zemlya and returned to Tromsø via Franz Josef Land and Kvitøya in northeast Svalbard. ]

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #410 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:45pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

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US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

Somehow I don't think they were checking sea ice levels around in 1900 eh.
Gotta love extrapolation.

Are you serious ?

Sure, why not?
No NASA, no IPCC, no weather bureau's, no planes, no UN, nothing.

"why not?"

Grin

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #411 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:43pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Quote:

US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

Somehow I don't think they were checking sea ice levels around in 1900 eh.
Gotta love extrapolation.

The sad thing is he thinks he's being clever. Are you honestly denying our ability to interpret scientific evidence from the past. Or are you just trolling for a reaction.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #412 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:18am

MOTR wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Quote:

US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

Somehow I don't think they were checking sea ice levels around in 1900 eh.
Gotta love extrapolation.

The sad thing is he thinks he's being clever. Are you honestly denying our ability to interpret scientific evidence from the past. Or are you just trolling for a reaction.

I cant be bothered about a reaction.
I don't troll.
And I can't be bothered with scientific guesswork, extrapolations, dodgy hockey sticks and defective computer models which use words like suggested, possible, probable and other airy fairy might be perhaps words beloved by the Church of Climate Change.
I don't believe tree rings thousands of miles from the arctic circle can be used to measure temperatures in the distant past, or even the accuracy of arctic icy poles.
What if a polar bear pissed on the ice where the icy pole was to be sampled from.
Think on it.
And I don't believe in world average temperatures being taken from a time before international weather stations were being used, or even before white man arrived in the Pacific.
If I want good science fiction, I'll watch Star Trek.
And if I hear crap, it's crap.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #413 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 6:00pm I'll allow Richard Alley to expose the flaccidity of your argument, and touch on the exasperation many of us feel.
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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #414 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 11:33am

Science continues to push the point....

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/climate-change-panel-warns-of-severe-storms-droughts-heatwaves/story-fn5fsgyc-1226313109225

Global warming leading to deadly weather disasters
No corner of the globe immune - scientists say
Decision about whether to relocate to become central

Campbell Newman and Tony Abbott may be patting themselves on the back about how they are scuttling plans to combat this, but unfortunetly it aint solved by denial.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #415 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 11:47am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

Science continues to push the point....

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/climate-change-panel-warns-of-severe-storms-droughts-heatwaves/story-fn5fsgyc-1226313109225

Global warming leading to deadly weather disasters
No corner of the globe immune - scientists say
Decision about whether to relocate to become central

Campbell Newman and Tony Abbott may be patting themselves on the back about how they are scuttling plans to combat this, but unfortunetly it aint solved by denial.

Wake me up when Godzilla appears will ya.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink Reply #416 - Mar 29^th, 2012 at 2:46pm Seems the liberal state governments are using the carbon tax as an excuse to not spend any of their own money on fighting global warming. Fair enough. but to then go and campain against the carbon tax ???? hypocrites... http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/playing-politics-with-climate-20120328-1vyly.html
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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #417 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 5:33am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

Seems the liberal state governments are using the carbon tax as an excuse to not spend any of their own money on fighting global warming.

Fair enough.

but to then go and campain against the carbon tax ????

hypocrites...

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/playing-politics-with-climate-20120328-1vyly.html

The good news is that the La Nina has dissipated. With any luck the trend will emerge and those on the right will be pressed a little harder to defend their idiotic position.

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #418 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 5:48am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

Science continues to push the point....

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/climate-change-panel-warns-of-severe-storms-droughts-heatwaves/story-fn5fsgyc-1226313109225

Global warming leading to deadly weather disasters
No corner of the globe immune - scientists say
Decision about whether to relocate to become central

Campbell Newman and Tony Abbott may be patting themselves on the back about how they are scuttling plans to combat this, but unfortunetly it aint solved by denial.

Wake me up when Godzilla appears will ya.

We're trying chickenlips.

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"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Re: Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Reply #419 - Apr 2^nd, 2012 at 4:40pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 7:18am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Quote:

US National Snow and Ice Data Centre director Mark Serreze has said that reports and aircraft reconnaissance indicated the recent summer sea ice levels were the lowest since 1900.

Analyses of ancient material have suggested it was likely to be at the lowest level since the end of the last glacial period about 8000 years ago.

Somehow I don't think they were checking sea ice levels around in 1900 eh.
Gotta love extrapolation.

The sad thing is he thinks he's being clever. Are you honestly denying our ability to interpret scientific evidence from the past. Or are you just trolling for a reaction.

I cant be bothered about a reaction.
I don't troll.
And I can't be bothered with scientific guesswork, extrapolations, dodgy hockey sticks and defective computer models which use words like suggested, possible, probable and other airy fairy might be perhaps words beloved by the Church of Climate Change.
I don't believe tree rings thousands of miles from the arctic circle can be used to measure temperatures in the distant past, or even the accuracy of arctic icy poles.
What if a polar bear pissed on the ice where the icy pole was to be sampled from.
Think on it.
And I don't believe in world average temperatures being taken from a time before international weather stations were being used, or even before white man arrived in the Pacific.
If I want good science fiction, I'll watch Star Trek.
And if I hear crap, it's crap.

CHICKEN LIPS SIMPLY HAS A DIFFERENT DEFITINITON OF TROLL ....

... and so we have a never-ending conversation about nada!!

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