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Reply #315 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 3:28pm
 
Don't lose sleep over it, it will come back (the ice), just wait and see.
Geez it's been raining a lot hasn't and after that BIG DRY SPELL huh?
Just as well they built that desalination plant.
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Reply #316 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 3:31pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
Don't lose sleep over it, it will come back (the ice), just wait and see.
Geez it's been raining a lot hasn't and after that BIG DRY SPELL huh?
Just as well they built that desalination plant.



You wont see ice like this again in your lifetime.
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Reply #317 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 3:37pm
 
Doctor Jolly, I couldn't afford the fare...care to shout me there Doc..Yet to meet a poor Doctor.
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Reply #318 - Mar 12th, 2012 at 4:20pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
Don't lose sleep over it, it will come back (the ice), just wait and see.
Geez it's been raining a lot hasn't and after that BIG DRY SPELL huh?
Just as well they built that desalination plant.

The pretend nazi wants to explain the hydrologic cycle!  Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed  Cheesy
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Reply #319 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 12:53am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
Don't lose sleep over it, it will come back (the ice), just wait and see.
Geez it's been raining a lot hasn't and after that BIG DRY SPELL huh?
Just as well they built that desalination plant.


What makes you so sure?
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #320 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 3:31am
 
Why I'm losing sleep over this.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #321 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 6:39am
 
MOTR wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 3:31am:
Why I'm losing sleep over this.



Take pills.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #322 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:03am
 
Telling quote at around 3:20 in that video:

testimony in the 1980s that global warming increases both extremes of the earths water cycle. Heat waves and droughts on one hand directly from the warming, but also because a warmer atmosphere holds more water vapour, rainfall will become in more extreme events. There will be stronger storms and greater flooding.

Does that not exactly describe Australia of the last decade ?
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Reply #323 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:07am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Telling quote at around 3:20 in that video:

testimony in the 1980s that global warming increases both extremes of the earths water cycle. Heat waves and droughts on one hand directly from the warming, but also because a warmer atmosphere holds more water vapour, rainfall will become in more extreme events. There will be stronger storms and greater flooding.

Does that not exactly describe Australia of the last decade ?


No.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #324 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:17am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:07am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Telling quote at around 3:20 in that video:

testimony in the 1980s that global warming increases both extremes of the earths water cycle. Heat waves and droughts on one hand directly from the warming, but also because a warmer atmosphere holds more water vapour, rainfall will become in more extreme events. There will be stronger storms and greater flooding.

Does that not exactly describe Australia of the last decade ?


No.


Hmmm. Denier logic at work.  Maybe a trip to Darlington point is required.

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Reply #325 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:24am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:17am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:07am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Telling quote at around 3:20 in that video:

testimony in the 1980s that global warming increases both extremes of the earths water cycle. Heat waves and droughts on one hand directly from the warming, but also because a warmer atmosphere holds more water vapour, rainfall will become in more extreme events. There will be stronger storms and greater flooding.

Does that not exactly describe Australia of the last decade ?


No.


Hmmm. Denier logic at work.  Maybe a trip to Darlington point is required.



No, can't go anywhere just yet.
I'm up here in tropical North Queensland still waiting for all those increased cyclone activity we are expecting, and the increased severity in those cyclones. Smiley
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Reply #326 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:27am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:24am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:17am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:07am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Telling quote at around 3:20 in that video:

testimony in the 1980s that global warming increases both extremes of the earths water cycle. Heat waves and droughts on one hand directly from the warming, but also because a warmer atmosphere holds more water vapour, rainfall will become in more extreme events. There will be stronger storms and greater flooding.

Does that not exactly describe Australia of the last decade ?


No.


Hmmm. Denier logic at work.  Maybe a trip to Darlington point is required.



No, can't go anywhere just yet.
I'm up here in tropical North Queensland still waiting for all those increased cyclone activity we are expecting, and the increased severity in those cyclones. Smiley


The hot weather has fried your brain.    Typical of deniers you switch between localized weather and global climate when and where it suits your argument.
Consistently inconsistent.
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Reply #327 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:39am
 
After 35 judgements against Al Gore by the Trial Judge in the High Court of Great Britain; the Judge shut the case down and found Gore guilty of scientific fraud. These are a few of the Judgements regarding the Artic Ice etc that were part of the case.

ERROR 17

The sun "heats the Arctic ocean"


Gore says that ice-melt allows the Sun to heat the Arctic Ocean, and a diagram shows the Sun’s rays heating it directly. It does not. The ocean emits radiant energy at the moment of absorption, and would freeze if there were no atmosphere. It is the atmosphere, not the Sun that warms the ocean. Also, Gore’s diagram confuses the tropopause with the ionosphere, and he makes a number of other errors indicating that he does not understand the elementary physics of radiative transfer.



ERROR 18

Arctic "warming fastest"
   
Gore says the Arctic has been warming faster than the rest of the planet. It is not. While it is in general true that during periods of warming (whether natural or anthropogenic) the Arctic will warm faster than other regions, Gore does not mention that the Arctic has been cooling over the past 60 years, and is now one degree Celsius cooler than it was in the 1940s. There was a record amount of snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere in 2001. Several vessels were icebound in the Arctic in the spring of 2007, but few newspapers reported this. The newspapers reported that the North-West Passage was free of ice in 2007, and said that this was for the first time since records began: but the records, taken by satellites, had only begun 29 years previously. The North-West Passage had also been open for shipping in 1945, and, in 1903, the great Norwegian explorer Amundsen had passed through it in a sailing ship.
 

ERROR 19

Greenland ice sheet "unstable"


Gore says “global warming” is making the Greenland ice sheet unstable. It is not. Greenland ice grows 2in a year. The Greenland ice sheet survived each of the previous three interglacial periods, each of which was 5 degrees Celsius warmer than the present. It survived atmospheric CO2 concentrations of up to 1000 ppmv (compared with today’s 400 ppmv). It last melted 850,000 years ago, when humankind did not exist and could not have caused the melting. There is a close correlation between variations in Solar activity and temperature anomalies in Greenland, but there is no correlation between variations in CO2 concentration and temperature changes in Greenland. The IPCC (2001) says that to melt even half the Greenland ice sheet would require temperature to rise by 5.5 degrees C and remain that high for several thousand years.


AL GORE is now back with his old buddy from Goldman Sachs, David Blood, making barrowloads of money trading in, CARBON CREDITS.

He and his partner have formed the firm BLOOD AND GORE (Not a joke).

They will now make millionsfrom suckers like Australia once our Carbon Trading scheme gets going.

When will people realise this is the GREAT CON JOB of the Modern Age?
 

 

 

 

 



 
 

ERROR 20

Himalayan glacial melt waters "failing"


   


Gore says 40% of the world’s population get their water supply from Himalayan glacial melt waters that are failing because of “global warming.” They don’t and they are not. The water comes almost entirely from snow-melt, not from ice-melt. Over the past 40 years there has been no decline in the amount of snow-melt in Eurasia.


 



 
 

ERROR 21

Peruvian glaciers "disappearing"


   



Gore says that a Peruvian glacier is less extensive now than it was in the 1940s, implying that “global warming” is the cause. It is not. Except for the very highest peaks, the normal state of the Peruvian cordilleras has been ice-free throughout most of the past 10,000 years.

 

 



 
 

ERROR 22

Mountain glaciers worldwide "disappearing"


   


Gore says that “the ice has a story to tell, and it is worldwide.” He shows several before-and-after pictures of glaciers disappearing. However, the glacial melt began in the 1820s, long before humankind could have had any effect, and has continued at a uniform rate since, showing no acceleration since humankind began increasing the quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere. Total ice volumes in three of the last four Ice Ages were lower than they are today, and “global warming” had nothing to do with that.



 

 

 

 

 





 
 

ERROR 17

The sun "heats the Arctic ocean"


   


Gore says that ice-melt allows the Sun to heat the Arctic Ocean, and a diagram shows the Sun’s rays heating it directly. It does not. The ocean emits radiant energy at the moment of absorption, and would freeze if there were no atmosphere. It is the atmosphere, not the Sun that warms the ocean. Also, Gore’s diagram confuses the tropopause with the ionosphere, and he makes a number of other errors indicating that he does not understand the elementary physics of radiative transfer.


 



 
 

ERROR 18

Arctic "warming fastest"


   


Gore says the Arctic has been warming faster than the rest of the planet. It is not. While it is in general true that during periods of warming (whether natural or anthropogenic) the Arctic will warm faster than other regions, Gore does not mention that the Arctic has been cooling over the past 60 years, and is now one degree Celsius cooler than it was in the 1940s. There was a record amount of snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere in 2001. Several vessels were icebound in the Arctic in the spring of 2007, but few newspapers reported this. The newspapers reported that the North-West Passage was free of ice in 2007, and said that this was for the first time since records began: but the records, taken by satellites, had only begun 29 years previously. The North-West Passage had also been open for shipping in 1945, and, in 1903, the great Norwegian explorer Amundsen had passed through it in a sailing ship.


 



 
 

ERROR 19

Greenland ice sheet "unstable"


   


Gore says “global warming” is making the Greenland ice sheet unstable. It is not. Greenland ice grows 2in a year. The Greenland ice sheet survived each of the previous three interglacial periods, each of which was 5 degrees Celsius warmer than the present. It survived atmospheric CO2 concentrations of up to 1000 ppmv (compared with today’s 400 ppmv). It last melted 850,000 years ago, when humankind did not exist and could not have caused the melting. There is a close correlation between variations in Solar activity and temperature anomalies in Greenland, but there is no correlation between variations in CO2 concentration and temperature changes in Greenland. The IPCC (2001) says that to melt even half the Greenland ice sheet would require temperature to rise by 5.5 degrees C and remain that high for several thousand years.

 

 

 

 

  These FACTS were part of a High Court Decision in Great Britain in regard to Al gore's outrageous environmental fraud moive, An Inconvnient Truth which should, have been labelled An Inconvenient Bunch of Lies.

After 35 judgements the judge stopped counting, the Trial Judge shut the case down and found  in favour of Lord Monckton that Al Gore was guilty of scientific fraud..



 

 

 

 

 



 
 

ERROR 20

Himalayan glacial melt waters "failing"


   


Gore says 40% of the world’s population get their water supply from Himalayan glacial melt waters that are failing because of “global warming.” They don’t and they are not. The water comes almost entirely from snow-melt, not from ice-melt. Over the past 40 years there has been no decline in the amount of snow-melt in Eurasia.


 



 
 

ERROR 21

Peruvian glaciers "disappearing"


   



Gore says that a Peruvian glacier is less extensive now than it was in the 1940s, implying that “global warming” is the cause. It is not. Except for the very highest peaks, the normal state of the Peruvian cordilleras has been ice-free throughout most of the past 10,000 years.

 

 



 
 

ERROR 22

Mountain glaciers worldwide "disappearing"


   


Gore says that “the ice has a story to tell, and it is worldwide.” He shows several before-and-after pictures of glaciers disappearing. However, the glacial melt began in the 1820s, long before humankind could have had any effect, and has continued at a uniform rate since, showing no acceleration since humankind began increasing the quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere. Total ice volumes in three of the last four Ice Ages were lower than they are today, and “global warming” had nothing to do with that.



 

 

 

 

 
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Reply #328 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:43am
 
Death Rides a Horse..

I see a man comin', comin with a gun and I just can't be beat...

I'm a long tall Texan, I ride a big white horse

He rides from Texas on a bg white horse.............


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Reply #329 - Mar 13th, 2012 at 8:44am
 
red baron: Got a link to your BS, or just making stuff up again. ?

Sounds exact like something from those dodgy skeptic blogs (funded by oil companies)
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