topend geo wrote on Mar 8
th, 2012 at 9:31am:
MOTR wrote on Mar 7
th, 2012 at 3:21pm:
topend geo wrote on Mar 7
th, 2012 at 6:52am:
two separate issues,
1: climate change (we all agree, the climates changing)
2: What's causing it (here lies the rub....)
MOTR, you had to say that the rate of change is different didn't you?
Can you prove this??
I say again, What's the null hypothesis? if we remove Co2 forcing from the climate models what do the models suggest? A constant average annual temperate with variation...of what??
Jalane, in my experience it's the AGW supporters who look more like religious zealots than even the US bible bashers,
Ian plimer got it right...AGW is the new religion
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/recon_lj_with_others.png seriously!

you're kidding right? That graph details the last 1500 years of the earth...not much of a sample size for something that's been around for ~3.8 billion years eh?
Also nicely cut at the point where the temps started dropping!!.Man (lol or should I say Mann) and you accuse non believes of cherry picking

P.S stop using the discredited Mann hockey-stick.
Again what is your point. There is enough evidence to suggest our climate is shifting at a rate not expected during an interglacial period.
The Mann hockey-stick is not discredited simply because enough deniers say it is so. An independent assessment of Mann's hockey stick was conducted by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (Wahl 2007). They confirmed the principal results of the original hockey stick.

Temperature reconstruction after temperature reconstruction whether it be boreholes, ice cores, coral, lake sediments, glaciers, boreholes or stalagmites have backed Mann's original study. Most recently Lungqvist 2010.

To suggest that the world is starting to cool requires you to ignore what is happening to our oceans. Lets look at what is happening to our atmosphere when 90% of the heat is accumulating in our oceans. It takes a fair chunk of ignorance to gain any succour from what has been happening to to our atmospheric temperatures over the last few years.

We have gone through three La Nina years in rapid succession, yet there has been no long term cooling. Each La Nina year is hotter than the next with 2010 being the hottest year on record. (NASA) Don't tell me the planet is not warming. Ask a physicist to expain it to you.

Open you eyes and have a look at what is happening to our planet. Have a look at the artic sea ice volume anomaly.