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Arctic Ice continues to shrink
Sep 17th, 2011 at 11:49am
 
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Arctic sea ice appears to have reached its lowest extent for the year. The minimum ice extent was the second lowest in the satellite record, after 2007, and continues the decadal trend of rapidly decreasing summer sea ice.

Please note that this is a preliminary announcement. Changing winds could still push ice flows together, reducing ice extent further.

The last five years (2007 to 2011) have been the five lowest extents in the continuous satellite record, which extends back to 1979. While the record low year of 2007 was marked by a combination of weather conditions that favored ice loss (including clearer skies, favorable wind patterns, and warm temperatures), this year has shown more typical weather patterns but continued warmth over the Arctic. This supports the idea that the Arctic sea ice cover is continuing to thin.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/


The denialists will continue to cherry pick and distort statistics, make personal attacks on scientists and pay the shock jocks to promote denial.

Meanwhile the worlds glaciers and ice caps continue to melt.......
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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:21pm
 
Spot on man!

Who ever thought that australians would be applauding Alan bloody Jones as a climate change expert.

Jezus christ. Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:26pm
 
Vote 1, QUARRY!!!!
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Reply #3 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:34am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 17th, 2011 at 11:49am:
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Arctic sea ice appears to have reached its lowest extent for the year. The minimum ice extent was the second lowest in the satellite record, after 2007, and continues the decadal trend of rapidly decreasing summer sea ice.

Please note that this is a preliminary announcement. Changing winds could still push ice flows together, reducing ice extent further.

The last five years (2007 to 2011) have been the five lowest extents in the continuous satellite record, which extends back to 1979. While the record low year of 2007 was marked by a combination of weather conditions that favored ice loss (including clearer skies, favorable wind patterns, and warm temperatures), this year has shown more typical weather patterns but continued warmth over the Arctic. This supports the idea that the Arctic sea ice cover is continuing to thin.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/


The denialists will continue to cherry pick and distort statistics, make personal attacks on scientists and pay the shock jocks to promote denial.

Meanwhile the worlds glaciers and ice caps continue to melt.......


Fancy that, ice melting in summer.
Who would have thought.
And the global warming alarmists will continue to try to make something from nothing.
Get your red crash helmet on kiddies.
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Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 12:27am
 
Vote 1, QUARRY!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin
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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2011 at 7:56pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Fancy that, ice melting in summer.
Who would have thought.
And the global warming alarmists will continue to try to make something from nothing.
Get your red crash helmet on kiddies.


Maybe you have misunderstood the scientific study.

At around this time each year the Arctic ice shrinks to its minimum extent. Comparing this year to past years has shown a decadal trend of rapidly decreasing sea ice.

The summer sea ice over 2007 - 2011 has been the lowest summer sea ice recorded. 
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Reply #6 - Sep 22nd, 2011 at 1:34am
 
NON-LINEARITIES SUCK!
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Reply #7 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:00am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 7:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Fancy that, ice melting in summer.
Who would have thought.
And the global warming alarmists will continue to try to make something from nothing.
Get your red crash helmet on kiddies.


Maybe you have misunderstood the scientific study.

At around this time each year the Arctic ice shrinks to its minimum extent. Comparing this year to past years has shown a decadal trend of rapidly decreasing sea ice.

The summer sea ice over 2007 - 2011 has been the lowest summer sea ice recorded.  


And it is quite likely that if proper studies were carried out on this subject 100+ years ago, we would have found the same result.
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Reply #8 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:09am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:00am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 7:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Fancy that, ice melting in summer.
Who would have thought.
And the global warming alarmists will continue to try to make something from nothing.
Get your red crash helmet on kiddies.


Maybe you have misunderstood the scientific study.

At around this time each year the Arctic ice shrinks to its minimum extent. Comparing this year to past years has shown a decadal trend of rapidly decreasing sea ice.

The summer sea ice over 2007 - 2011 has been the lowest summer sea ice recorded.  


And it is quite likely that if proper studies were carried out on this subject 100+ years ago, we would have found the same result.


And here we have a denialist resorting to guessing historical data to justify his views.

Grin
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Reply #9 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:42am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:09am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:00am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 7:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Fancy that, ice melting in summer.
Who would have thought.
And the global warming alarmists will continue to try to make something from nothing.
Get your red crash helmet on kiddies.


Maybe you have misunderstood the scientific study.

At around this time each year the Arctic ice shrinks to its minimum extent. Comparing this year to past years has shown a decadal trend of rapidly decreasing sea ice.

The summer sea ice over 2007 - 2011 has been the lowest summer sea ice recorded.  


And it is quite likely that if proper studies were carried out on this subject 100+ years ago, we would have found the same result.


And here we have a denialist resorting to guessing historical data to justify his views.

Grin


Yes, I can see how the thought of this happening before in history would prove uncomfortable to the alarmists.
And given the age of the planet, do you honestly think this sort of thing hasn't happened before at any other time.
I'm not the one guessing historical data, I'll leave that to the global warming soothsayers and their dodgy computer models.
I am only suggesting on the balance of probabilities this has happened before.
Do let me know if a computer model says different though.
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Reply #10 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 5:19pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:42am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:09am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:00am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 7:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Fancy that, ice melting in summer.
Who would have thought.
And the global warming alarmists will continue to try to make something from nothing.
Get your red crash helmet on kiddies.


Maybe you have misunderstood the scientific study.

At around this time each year the Arctic ice shrinks to its minimum extent. Comparing this year to past years has shown a decadal trend of rapidly decreasing sea ice.

The summer sea ice over 2007 - 2011 has been the lowest summer sea ice recorded.  


And it is quite likely that if proper studies were carried out on this subject 100+ years ago, we would have found the same result.


And here we have a denialist resorting to guessing historical data to justify his views.

Grin


Yes, I can see how the thought of this happening before in history would prove uncomfortable to the alarmists.
And given the age of the planet, do you honestly think this sort of thing hasn't happened before at any other time.
I'm not the one guessing historical data, I'll leave that to the global warming soothsayers and their dodgy computer models.
I am only suggesting on the balance of probabilities this has happened before.
Do let me know if a computer model says different though.

scientific method is?
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Reply #11 - Sep 24th, 2011 at 11:37pm
 
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Yes, I can see how the thought of this happening before in history would prove uncomfortable to the alarmists.
And given the age of the planet, do you honestly think this sort of thing hasn't happened before at any other time.


You are right.  Ice sheets grow and shrink many times over the course of the Earth's history due to natural temperature decreases and increases.  It's what causes Ice Ages and also the end of Ice Ages.

The last major Ice age that the Earth experience ended 10,000 years ago.  In the northern hemisphere the ice sheet which is now confined to Greenland covered almost the whole of northern Europe.  The whole of Great Britain, except the most southerly reaches of England, was covered in an ice sheet miles thick.  Sea levels were so low that Britain was not an island but was actually joined to France (thank God it's not like that now).  

Then, about 10,000 years ago, the Earth warmed up and, of course, the ice sheets melted and retreated to their current position in Greenland.

Now, what caused that period of Global Warming that ended the last ice age?  I doubt that it was human activity and pollution considering that the earth's human population at the time numbered in just thousands, or maybe 1 or 2 million at the most.  

It must have been NATURAL global warming which caused the ice sheets to retreat 10,000 years ago and there is every reason to assume that the current retreat in ice sheets, should it actually be happening, is also as a result of natural warming and not human activity.

When you mention the end of ice ages, and the entirely natural retreat of ice sheets, to the Global Warmists they find it a bit of An Inconvenient Truth (excuse the pun).
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Reply #12 - Sep 25th, 2011 at 9:15pm
 
Cofgod wrote on Sep 24th, 2011 at 11:37pm:
It must have been NATURAL global warming which caused the ice sheets to retreat 10,000 years ago and there is every reason to assume that the current retreat in ice sheets, should it actually be happening, is also as a result of natural warming and not human activity.

When you mention the end of ice ages, and the entirely natural retreat of ice sheets, to the Global Warmists they find it a bit of An Inconvenient Truth (excuse the pun).


Your logic is fatally flawed. Just because the Earths climate has changed without human intervention in the past you can't just assume that this is proof that the same is happening now. That is like saying JFK must have died of natural causes just because in the past US presidents died of natural causes.

Humans are burning fossil fuels and emitting extra CO2 into the atmosphere (than is naturally emitted as part of the carbon cycle).

The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing.

The evidence clearly shows that the current warming of the earth is not due to natural causes   
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Reply #13 - Sep 26th, 2011 at 1:33pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 5:19pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:42am:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:09am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:00am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 7:56pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Fancy that, ice melting in summer.
Who would have thought.
And the global warming alarmists will continue to try to make something from nothing.
Get your red crash helmet on kiddies.


Maybe you have misunderstood the scientific study.

At around this time each year the Arctic ice shrinks to its minimum extent. Comparing this year to past years has shown a decadal trend of rapidly decreasing sea ice.

The summer sea ice over 2007 - 2011 has been the lowest summer sea ice recorded.  


And it is quite likely that if proper studies were carried out on this subject 100+ years ago, we would have found the same result.


And here we have a denialist resorting to guessing historical data to justify his views.

Grin


Yes, I can see how the thought of this happening before in history would prove uncomfortable to the alarmists.
And given the age of the planet, do you honestly think this sort of thing hasn't happened before at any other time.
I'm not the one guessing historical data, I'll leave that to the global warming soothsayers and their dodgy computer models.
I am only suggesting on the balance of probabilities this has happened before.
Do let me know if a computer model says different though.

scientific method is?


Balance of probabilities.
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Reply #14 - Sep 26th, 2011 at 1:38pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 9:15pm:
Cofgod wrote on Sep 24th, 2011 at 11:37pm:
It must have been NATURAL global warming which caused the ice sheets to retreat 10,000 years ago and there is every reason to assume that the current retreat in ice sheets, should it actually be happening, is also as a result of natural warming and not human activity.

When you mention the end of ice ages, and the entirely natural retreat of ice sheets, to the Global Warmists they find it a bit of An Inconvenient Truth (excuse the pun).


Your logic is fatally flawed. Just because the Earths climate has changed without human intervention in the past you can't just assume that this is proof that the same is happening now. That is like saying JFK must have died of natural causes just because in the past US presidents died of natural causes.

Humans are burning fossil fuels and emitting extra CO2 into the atmosphere (than is naturally emitted as part of the carbon cycle).

The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing.

The evidence clearly shows that the current warming of the earth is not due to natural causes  


But we can just assume instead that some 'climate scientists' computer models giving extrapolations based on a best guess is correct though eh?
Humans are emitting carbon into the atmosphere, but carbon as a whole still only makes up 3% of the total, with human caused emissions being a fraction of that 3%.
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