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Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:16pm
 
Polls no indicator for same-sex marriage attitudes
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Despite the grandstanding, the Greens' attempt to demonstrate that there is majority support for gay marriage in the suburbs and regional Australia has failed, in fact backfired.

But it wasn't for want of trying.

Their ally GetUp! - for all intents and purposes a subsidiary of the Greens - was panicked into action. It told its members that their contact with politicians showed MPs offices had received vastly more correspondence from those supporting marriage, speaking of the MPs as having been "inundated" with emails.

Not surprising really, as this is a definition which symbolises the strong desire of our community to promote an environment in which children can be conceived and grow to maturity in a stable home with the love and role model of both a mother and father. Even for those of us for whom this has not worked we acknowledge it as the ideal, and it is almost impossible to understand how when the Greens are swamping us with legislation to ensure the natural environment for every tree in Australia, they won't do the same for children. But consistency is hardly their strength.

GetUp!'s campaign certainly initially worried MPs with the volume of emails received. However at least one who went back to the originators of the emails for confirmation of their addresses, received no replies from nearly 50 per cent of them. Clearly they didn't, as they had claimed, live in the electorate and other MPs have said they had to discount hundreds of such false emails, one 700.

Other comments on some same-sex activists' social media sites recently have exposed the use of overseas networks to vote on polls, with Greg from Tallahassee saying he was glad to help out on a recent SMH one, and other helpful individuals describing how to manipulate various polls to "vote as many times as you want to".

Public polls have become so open to manipulation that they are virtually useless as an indicator of public opinion. The one that matters is the federal election where you can only vote once and Greg from Tallahassee won't be there.

Political parties need to look past these polls at a few facts.

Firstly in 18 of the 30 electorates on which MPs reported back as required by Adam Bandt, the feeling in the electorate was reported as overwhelmingly for retaining the definition of marriage; well over 90 per cent in a good number of them, with figures like 595 to 14 (Hinkler) and 1,015 to 65 (Deakin). Only six of the 30 reported their electorates in favour of gay marriage, and only three of those produced statistical proof from their consultation and not surprisingly they were from the inner-city seats of Wentworth, Moreton and Melbourne.

Secondly, the great majority of those who support marriage are not going to bother publicly proclaiming it when they are continually subjected to vicious language and abuse whenever they raise their heads. The charges of homophobe and bigot may have neutralised public debate until now, but they will not affect people in the privacy of the polling booth.

Finally, the reality is that applying even the most generous statistics for the homosexual community as numbering 3 per cent of the population and the absolute upper end of the take-up rate for gay marriage overseas, a maximum of just over half a per cent of the Australian population would take this up.

On the other side of the ledger at least half the population support retaining the definition of marriage anyway, but perhaps 15 per cent of them hold marriage so deeply for cultural or faith reasons that it is for them a vote-changer. They simply will not support a party which fails to protect the definition of marriage. They also don't want to see it weakly make marriage a conscience issue, as Labor is now considering, but to show that it stands for this foundational relationship as a matter of principle.

But surely numbers don't matter in an issue of discrimination you might say, and I'd agree.

However amendments to 85 pieces of legislation by the Rudd government removed any substantive discrimination against same-sex couples. This is not a matter of discrimination.

It is instead another Greens' ideological agenda, and perhaps it's time Labor stopped listening to manipulated polls and Greg from Tallahassee, and instead to the real electorate, which last week comprehensively rejected any change to the definition of marriage.


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Reply #1 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:30pm
 



Ironically, Jim Wallace's wishy washy article is no indicator for same-sex marriage attitudes!

FRED. wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:16pm:
GetUp!'s campaign certainly initially worried MPs with the volume of emails received. However at least one who went back to the originators of the emails for confirmation of their addresses, received no replies from nearly 50 per cent of them.

Clearly they didn't, as they had claimed, live in the electorate and other MPs have said they had to discount hundreds of such false emails, one 700.




LOL...I wonder if Mr Wallace has heard about the dangers of answering emails asking you to provide your personal details over the internet!?

Either way, how does Mr Wallace determine that a nearly 50% no-reply rate is evidence that 1/2 of the original emails came from people living outside of that MPs electorate!?

Meantime, I wonder on what bases that one MP he mentions chose to ignore a whopping 700 emails!?

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Reply #2 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:33pm
 
I thought for things like petitions to count, then those responding were required to give their address to ensure the petitions were no falsly ramped up.

Its for that reason, any time I email an MP, I provide my details of name and address.

If you want to be counted, put your name to it.
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Reply #3 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:43pm
 
Equitist wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:30pm:
Ironically, Jim Wallace's wishy washy article is no indicator for same-sex marriage attitudes!

FRED. wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:16pm:
GetUp!'s campaign certainly initially worried MPs with the volume of emails received. However at least one who went back to the originators of the emails for confirmation of their addresses, received no replies from nearly 50 per cent of them.

Clearly they didn't, as they had claimed, live in the electorate and other MPs have said they had to discount hundreds of such false emails, one 700.




LOL...I wonder if Mr Wallace has heard about the dangers of answering emails asking you to provide your personal details over the internet!?

Either way, how does Mr Wallace determine that a nearly 50% no-reply rate is evidence that 1/2 of the original emails came from people living outside of that MPs electorate!?

Meantime, I wonder on what bases that one MP he mentions chose to ignore a whopping 700 emails!?



I dont have a lot of time for Jim Wallace but he does raise some valid points that the silent majority oppose gay marriage. and in a democracy, that is a pretty powerful reason for maintaing the status quo.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 3:43pm
 
Good to see australians are not as easily duped as the greens and other advocates claim they are.
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Reply #5 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 5:56pm
 
Equitist wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:30pm:
Ironically, Jim Wallace's wishy washy article is no indicator for same-sex marriage attitudes!

FRED. wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:16pm:
GetUp!'s campaign certainly initially worried MPs with the volume of emails received. However at least one who went back to the originators of the emails for confirmation of their addresses, received no replies from nearly 50 per cent of them.

Clearly they didn't, as they had claimed, live in the electorate and other MPs have said they had to discount hundreds of such false emails, one 700.




LOL...I wonder if Mr Wallace has heard about the dangers of answering emails asking you to provide your personal details over the internet!?

Either way, how does Mr Wallace determine that a nearly 50% no-reply rate is evidence that 1/2 of the original emails came from people living outside of that MPs electorate!?

Meantime, I wonder on what bases that one MP he mentions chose to ignore a whopping 700 emails!?





gees I wish we could see you asking TOUGH questions like that from your messiah....like what the hell were we doing in the HIGH COURT...at jinormous expense... none of which is coming out of this bloody govts pockets..in the first place...

mind you if you took your head out of the sand I am sure you could find heaps of questions to ask of your messiah.. last I heard shes looking for ideas on her asylum seekers policy to take to NZ>>>


LOOKING FOR IDEAS... WHY NOT WRITE TO DEAR DOROTHY DIX!!!
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Reply #6 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:08pm
 
Gee the polls say a certain percentage of Aussies are whining control freaks that cant stand the thought of others being happy and having control over their own lives.
Judging by the whining old farts that followed Alan Jones to the Carnival of Crazies a few weeks ago Im not surprised over any poll figures these days ( I wonder if they know Jones is a screaming, limp wristed, bum banging old queen?)  

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Reply #7 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:13pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
Gee the polls say a certain percentage of Aussies are whining control freaks that cant stand the thought of others being happy and having control over their own lives.
Judging by the whining old farts that followed Alan Jones to the Carnival of Crazies a few weeks ago Im not surprised over any poll figures these days ( I wonder if they know Jones is a screaming, limp wristed, bum banging old queen?)  

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well havent a clue what that little rants about...but like nem you sure have the hots for Jonesy...and I doubt many old or otherwise need it pointing out hes GAY...

its not a big deal anymore..its all legal. in case you dont know... and so is booby... ugh.. just mental pictures.. UGH.UGH.UGH...but yes so is booby gay... at least there wont be anymore boobies.. we can be thankful for that..

as for Jonesy switch him off it aint rocket science.I do it regularly when boobie comes into my lounge room uninvited.
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Reply #8 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:40pm
 
If getup are involved in something, it should be an automatic for anyone not to support what they do.
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Reply #9 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:49pm
 
This problem is easily solved

The Greens claim that the MAJORITY of Australians feel REALLLLYYYY strongly about gay marriages

Let Bob Brown run his next election campaign SOLELY on gay marriages and see how many votes he gets

Evan Wong won't campaign solely based on gay marriages
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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number
 
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LOL



The "survey" was done among the mailing list of the Australian "Christian" lobby





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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/jim-wallace-from-australian-christian-...




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adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
Gee the polls say a certain percentage of Aussies are whining control freaks that cant stand the thought of others being happy and having control over their own lives.
Judging by the whining old farts that followed Alan Jones to the Carnival of Crazies a few weeks ago Im not surprised over any poll figures these days ( I wonder if they know Jones is a screaming, limp wristed, bum banging old queen?)  

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padeophiles say the same thing.  you might want to try a amore expansive and more convincing argument than that rubbish.
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buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:27pm:


given that the response was from a lot of MPs your assertion is clearly wrong. I dont like Jim Wallace and think he is simplistic. that doesnt always mean he is wrong.
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Reply #13 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:41pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:25pm:
adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
Gee the polls say a certain percentage of Aussies are whining control freaks that cant stand the thought of others being happy and having control over their own lives.
Judging by the whining old farts that followed Alan Jones to the Carnival of Crazies a few weeks ago Im not surprised over any poll figures these days ( I wonder if they know Jones is a screaming, limp wristed, bum banging old queen?)  

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padeophiles say the same thing.  you might want to try a amore expansive and more convincing argument than that rubbish.


Isn't Wallace a Christian? Christians are much more likely to be engaged in paedophilia than normal people. Massive fail of an argument on your part. Jim Wallace is more likely to be a paedophile than an atheist.  That's a fact! Grin
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Reply #14 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 2:25am
 
GAY SEX IS DIRTY AND SHOULD BE OUTLAWED!

THE MAIN STREAM PARTIES CAN'T SUPPORT IT IN MARRIAGE OR RISK BECOMING RELICS OF HISTORY... IT'S THAT SIMPLE!

The Greens wish to remain as a niche party and is the only reason they can afford to support it!!
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