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Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns
Reply #30 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:16am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 12:32am:

Which operative???

Spencer. He has form going back decades of using research papers not as methods of illumination but rather as political grenades to throw into the media. That's why he chose a small journal, new on the the scene and not focused on geophysical sciences, meaning the editorial staff weren't familiar with his form and quite naive about what these denier's are really capable of. Hence why, when it became apparent to the editor that he had been duped by political operatives moire interested in getting their political message into the mainstream media than they are good science, he did the honourable thing and fell on his sword in order to protect the reputation of his fledgling journal.

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Roy Spencer

Roy Spencer is somewhat of a serial mistake scientist. Over the past 20 years, he has continually tried to show that global warming is either not happening or is not of concern. The problem is, he has been shown to be wrong time and time again. He has left it up to others to fix his mistakes. He has made multiple errors with satellite measurements – in fact, he originally said the earth was getting colder. After scientists discovered he had made errors, he corrected his work and his new results show the earth is warming. He also made mistakes with his climate modeling that forced other scientists to write corrections. In the end, Roy has been forced time and time again to admit his errors.

Spencer doesn’t really view himself as a scientist. Recently, he stated that he views himself a little like a “legislator,

paid by the taxpayer to minimize government.

” This is curious as his job is to do science, to provide the public with accurate information and let others handle policy.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Roy_Spencer_quote.htm

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Astro, I read almost all of the articles you link.....At very least I scan through the more biased ones, like realclimate.org....

Biased. Yes. Biased towards truth and accuracy. Biased towards defending the good name of the field that the writers all work in. Biased towards science over politics or even policy. That kind of biased.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

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Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns
Reply #31 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:27am

If the paper was retracted then the deniers would be screaming blue bloody murder about being "censored" by "the Team". Much better to let the paper stand for the abomination it is and let it be torn to shreds in the literature. The deniers are looking for a martyr, they'd love to see this paper retracted.

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Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns
Reply #32 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 1:31pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

If the paper was retracted then the deniers would be screaming blue bloody murder about being "censored" by "the Team". Much better to let the paper stand for the abomination it is and let it be torn to shreds in the literature. The deniers are looking for a martyr, they'd love to see this paper retracted.

And as it stands now, the impression is that any editor who accepts papers from the 'wrong' side must either resign in disgrace ( or be 'asked' to resign)...

So, same net effect...

But, whatever.....I'm content to wait...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns
Reply #33 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

astro_surf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

If the paper was retracted then the deniers would be screaming blue bloody murder about being "censored" by "the Team". Much better to let the paper stand for the abomination it is and let it be torn to shreds in the literature. The deniers are looking for a martyr, they'd love to see this paper retracted.

And as it stands now, the impression is that any editor who accepts papers from the 'wrong' side must either resign in disgrace ( or be 'asked' to resign)...

So, same net effect...

But, whatever.....I'm content to wait...

No it doesn't. And you can't you you "every man" schtick here because the everyman isn't the target audience. The target audience is a professional class that understand full well that operatives like Spencer are not a 'side'. The only message here is that the editor knows he is a dupe and that his journal had been played for fools.

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Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns
Reply #34 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 10:43pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

astro_surf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

If the paper was retracted then the deniers would be screaming blue bloody murder about being "censored" by "the Team". Much better to let the paper stand for the abomination it is and let it be torn to shreds in the literature. The deniers are looking for a martyr, they'd love to see this paper retracted.

And as it stands now, the impression is that any editor who accepts papers from the 'wrong' side must either resign in disgrace ( or be 'asked' to resign)...

So, same net effect...

But, whatever.....I'm content to wait...

No it doesn't. And you can't you you "every man" schtick here because the everyman isn't the target audience. The target audience is a professional class that understand full well that operatives like Spencer are not a 'side'. The only message here is that the editor knows he is a dupe and that his journal had been played for fools.

Sure we can play the "every man schtick"......if every day people weren't the target audience, why did was it in sooooooo many news sites, climate change sites and blogs????

And again, as for the editor in chief resigning........He mustn't have had much of a commitment to the journal, if he spits the dummy over ONE (relatively minor) mistake, that doesn't actually trace back to him.....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns
Reply #35 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:11pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 10:43pm:

Sure we can play the "every man schtick"......if every day people weren't the target audience, why did was it in sooooooo many news sites, climate change sites and blogs????

The resignation was published in a scholarly journal whose audience is entirely made up of other scholars. The only reason the media is even aware of the issue is because that's exactly the political response Spencer was trying to achieve by publishing such a rubbish piece of work. That was the reason he published his exaggerated press release from UAH and planted the story in Forbes. It's never been about the science. This is exactly the sort of game deniers want to play, convince "everymen" like yourself that there is controversy where there really is none and sow the seeds of doubt in the community

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And again, as for the editor in chief resigning........He mustn't have had much of a commitment to the journal, if he spits the dummy over ONE (relatively minor) mistake, that doesn't actually trace back to him.....

He's protecting the reputation of his fledgling journal, not "spitting the dummy". And, no, it wasn't "minor", it was a tactical attack from the denier lobby who only ever had political motives at heart

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Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D. says:
July 5, 2011 at 5:47 AM
Nicholas, I would wager that my job has helped save our economy from the economic ravages of out-of-control environmental extremism.
I view my job a little like a legislator, supported by the taxpayer, to protect the interests of the taxpayer and to minimize the role of government.
If I and others are ultimately successful, it may well be that my job is no longer needed. Well then, that is progress. There are other things I can do.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #36 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:15pm jeez astro -- you surely do like that 'casterate' bit eh???
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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #37 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:17pm Emma wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:15pm: jeez astro -- you surely do like that 'casterate' bit eh??? And you sure like Bob Marley, eh?
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #38 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:40pm it's the words - the words apt for many many issues. 'course I think Bob said lots.!
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #39 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:42pm unlike those you lot are arguing about. YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #40 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 12:41am Emma wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 11:42pm: unlike those you lot are arguing about. YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're the one reading the thread, genius. /shrugz
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #41 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 12:50am So?? I'm bored - what can I say well actually just seen Chrissy Amphlett and the Divinyls 'live' on ABC RAGE. IMMACULATE. There's a fine line between Pleasure and Pain.
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Reply #42 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 2:00am

So??

I just find it hard to understand why you all are wasting your time over minutiae, -- lordy - Huh

he said this - but he said this - and he resigned - and he's a known media junkie and he 's not politically appropriate, and he has no genuine scientific corroboration, .. and that editor is a .. and th..... ad infinitum ad nauseam......

do you seek to achieve anything by this exchange? (edited)

see - I don't think there is any doubt that we face climactic change, and procrastinating about it , or even trying to persuade those who refuse to see, is a waste of effort, that could be put to better use.

By arguing about what some interest group , as personified by your proponents, say, you are merely, note - merely - ('cos I give you both the benefit of the doubt re your intentions), adding to the discord.

We need consensus!

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #43 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 12:04pm I can't speak for anyone else but I just like laughing at deniers.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #44 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 6:02pm astro_surf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 12:04pm: I can't speak for anyone else but I just like laughing at deniers. lol It is said that it is good to laugh at ones self. You being a global cooling denier will do well to laugh at yourself, not just at the warming deniers.
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