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Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns
Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 12:24pm

Saw this article today and thought I'd throw it up here just to add a bit more controversy to climate science Cool

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/02/journal-editor-resigns-climate...

The study mentioned is "On the misdiagnosis of surface temperature feedbacks from variations in Earth's radiant energy balance" by Spencer and Braswell.

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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #1 - Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 12:27pm this was the recent one that the anti-ACC people were getting heated over right?
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Reply #3 - Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 5:02pm

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The study mentioned is "On the misdiagnosis of surface temperature feedbacks from variations in Earth's radiant energy balance" by Spencer and Braswell.

His "diagnosis" was believable though.

Rising surface temperature has been the main basis for proving man made global warming and you have to wonder whether someone has shut him up.

No wonder so many people sit on the fence in regard to man made climate change - who do you trust? When they use the likes of Flannery (who changes his opinion with the weather) and Al Gore etc. to promote global warming - it's hard not to be cynical.

You can't trust the skeptics either.

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Reply #4 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 1:17pm

I agree 100%. Certain aspects/advocates/arguments on both sides are sketchy. The reason I lean toward ACC is because I don't think moving toward sustainable living is a bad thing and the majority of scientists and scientific organizations are in agreement about it. I'm no expert so I rely on experts to give me their opinion and am in no position to criticize....I personally avoid people like Flannery and Gore and think politics is a big factor in the hostile, polarized nature of the debate.

Could a skeptic explain why taking no precautionary action is a good idea? Or why remaining with fossil fuel is desirable? What are the disastrous outcomes that will happen from being prepared?

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Reply #5 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 8:38am

mantra wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 5:02pm:

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The study mentioned is "On the misdiagnosis of surface temperature feedbacks from variations in Earth's radiant energy balance" by Spencer and Braswell.

His "diagnosis" was believable though.

Rising surface temperature has been the main basis for proving man made global warming and you have to wonder whether someone has shut him up.

No wonder so many people sit on the fence in regard to man made climate change - who do you trust? When they use the likes of Flannery (who changes his opinion with the weather) and Al Gore etc. to promote global warming - it's hard not to be cynical.

You can't trust the skeptics either.

If you have a sore tooth, you see a dentist, not a taxi driver. If you have a burst pipe, you get a plumber, not an astonomer. If you want to know about climate, it's an even more complex field.

You trust the people who are experts in the field - and don't read The Australian. Grin

(That's a general comment, Mantra - not directed at you)

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Reply #6 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 12:39pm

muso wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

mantra wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 5:02pm:

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The study mentioned is "On the misdiagnosis of surface temperature feedbacks from variations in Earth's radiant energy balance" by Spencer and Braswell.

His "diagnosis" was believable though.

Rising surface temperature has been the main basis for proving man made global warming and you have to wonder whether someone has shut him up.

No wonder so many people sit on the fence in regard to man made climate change - who do you trust? When they use the likes of Flannery (who changes his opinion with the weather) and Al Gore etc. to promote global warming - it's hard not to be cynical.

You can't trust the skeptics either.

If you have a sore tooth, you see a dentist, not a taxi driver. If you have a burst pipe, you get a plumber, not an astonomer. If you want to know about climate, it's an even more complex field.

You trust the people who are experts in the field - and don't read The Australian. Grin

(That's a general comment, Mantra - not directed at you)

The only problem muso, is that some of the sceptic scientists ARE experts in their fields......
Roy Spencer IS certainly a qualified and expert climatologist...

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Reply #7 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:08pm

He might be qualified, but he's not one of the frontrunners. Apart from that, this latest paper should not have been published because it was so full of errors.

The Editor in Chief of the journal "Remote Sensing" resigned as a result of that gaffe. It's hardly a recommendation given his history with the satellite data.

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Reply #8 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:48pm

muso wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

He might be qualified, but he's not one of the frontrunners. Apart from that, this latest paper should not have been published because it was so full of errors.

The Editor in Chief of the journal "Remote Sensing" resigned as a result of that gaffe. It's hardly a recommendation given his history with the satellite data.

According to whom??...Certainly not the peer reviewers..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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pjb05 Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1404 Gender:	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #9 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 5:58pm muso wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:08pm: The Editor in Chief of the journal "Remote Sensing" resigned as a result of that gaffe. It's hardly a recommendation given his history with the satellite data. It's interesting that the paper wasn't withdrawn.
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Reply #10 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 7:05pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

The only problem muso, is that some of the sceptic scientists ARE experts in their fields......
Roy Spencer IS certainly a qualified and expert climatologist...

Except that Spencer happens to be an "expert" who has been wrong about pretty much everything he has applied himslef to throughout his proferssional life and who is quiote open about putting his ideological belief in the free-market above and beyond scientific understanding. You just have to go to his website banner to see just how much of a free-market blowhard he really is:

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Reply #11 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 7:13pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:48pm:

According to whom??...Certainly not the peer reviewers..

The peer reviewers were not climate scientists, that's why this was published in a journal called Remote Sensing. Plenty of papers that are dead wrong pass review, the role of review isn't to demonstrate whether a paper is right or not merely that the methodology is sound. And when it came to analysing the sensing data the methodology was perfectly sound. However, it was the fact that the paper ignored bodies of work in the climate press that completely contradict this paper and hence drew false conclusions. there is no reason why reviewers would necessarily pick this up, although had it been published in an ACTUAL geosciences journal then it probably would have been picked up and not made it past review. That's why Spencer publishes in backwater journals like Remote Sensing and not in, say, Geophysical Review or Nature or PNAS or any other reputable journal with a long and rigorous history of publishing papers relating to the geosciences.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

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Reply #12 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 7:26pm

Roy Spencer: “I view my job a little like a legislator, supported by the taxpayer, to protect the interests of the taxpayer and to minimize the role of government.”

The man is a blind ideologue, that's why he rejects climate science, not because of the science but because of the challenge it poses to his ideological beliefs.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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chinese_spam_clone New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #13 - Sep 7^th, 2011 at 6:25pm barnaby joe wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2011 at 12:27pm: this was the recent one that the anti-ACC people were getting heated over right?
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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Spencer paper flawed - Journal editor resigns Reply #14 - Sep 7^th, 2011 at 6:48pm It's been officially (ie. peer-reviewed) debunked in Geophysical Review Letters: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Dessler-2011-Debunks-Roy-Spencer-And-Richard-Lin...
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