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Child killed by Pitbull.
Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:56pm

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/pitbull-owners-stood-back-and-watched-it-attack-...

Did you guys already post this somewhere, if so, sorry

This dog escaped its own yard, and entered someone elses home, where this child was killed and another injured.

The dog responsable has since been destroyed.

I have heard the cry for pitbulls to be banned, I have heard how people get around it by calling them something else.
I am not sure what my opinion is about banning pitbulls.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41319 Gender:	Re: Child killed by Pitbull. Reply #1 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:18pm I am sure about my opinion on it. Not only are pitbull dogs bred to kill, their owners are strange too. Never let a pitbull owner in your house, never have anything to do with them.
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Reply #2 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:37pm

geez I can't think of many things more heartbreaking than this.

I don't think you can blame the breed as a whole as they are not all killers and are largely a product of their upbringing. There is also the problem of defining the breed.

But that said, they are the dog of choice for deadshits who need a tuff dog to help them act tuff and for this reason they will continue to be overrepresented in dog attacks. A licensing system could be feasible, but there will always be some that slip throught the cracks.

Yeah, ban 'em. Not outright, but phase them out I guess. There's plenty of other breeds of dogs out there and nobody really needs a pitbull - about the only legitimate thing theyre good for is pig hunting, and theres plenty of other breeds that are just as good if not better for the job.

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Deborahmac09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1619	Re: Child killed by Pitbull. Reply #3 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:42pm The other question I am wondering about is. If your dog is attacking someone and won't come when called, do you keep calling it or do you go and pull it off ? What were they thinking?
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Reply #4 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:42pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:56pm:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/pitbull-owners-stood-back-and-watched-it-attack-...

Did you guys already post this somewhere, if so, sorry

This dog escaped its own yard, and entered someone elses home, where this child was killed and another injured.

The dog responsable has since been destroyed.

I have heard the cry for pitbulls to be banned, I have heard how people get around it by calling them something else.
I am not sure what my opinion is about banning pitbulls.

Don't ban the breed, ban the idiots who own them...Like Wesley said, there's a certain type of person who either mistreats the dog, doesn't train it at all, or trains it to be aggressive...

A friend of mine had a pure breed American Pitbull, and two small children.....the kids used to climb all over the dog, pull on his ears and tail, and the dog just stood there and took it......because that's how he'd trained it...

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Reply #5 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:46pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:42pm:

The other question I am wondering about is.
If your dog is attacking someone and won't come when called, do you keep calling it or do you go and pull it off ? What were they thinking?

In this case, you grab a gun, a knife or whatever you can get that will kill the beast. That's the problem with them - hitting it or kicking it won't do anything. Nobody wants their dog to die, but if it's going to kill a child, there's no contest - you've gotta do it.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Child killed by Pitbull. Reply #6 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 10:39pm A dreadful story. Poor little girl.
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Re: Child killed by Pitbull.
Reply #7 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:25am

... wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:37pm:

geez I can't think of many things more heartbreaking than this.

I don't think you can blame the breed as a whole as they are not all killers and are largely a product of their upbringing. There is also the problem of defining the breed.

But that said, they are the dog of choice for deadshits who need a tuff dog to help them act tuff and for this reason they will continue to be overrepresented in dog attacks. A licensing system could be feasible, but there will always be some that slip throught the cracks.

Yeah, ban 'em. Not outright, but phase them out I guess. There's plenty of other breeds of dogs out there and nobody really needs a pitbull - about the only legitimate thing theyre good for is pig hunting, and theres plenty of other breeds that are just as good if not better for the job.

That's the crux of the matter, although the breed is highly strung and aggressive compared to most others, its the training (or lack of) that brings this to the fore. The fact that the dropkicks who owned the dog in this case were too afraid to try to physically restrain it shows exactly what sort of training this dog had.

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Reply #8 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 1:08am

Belgarion wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:25am:

... wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:37pm:

geez I can't think of many things more heartbreaking than this.

I don't think you can blame the breed as a whole as they are not all killers and are largely a product of their upbringing. There is also the problem of defining the breed.

But that said, they are the dog of choice for deadshits who need a tuff dog to help them act tuff and for this reason they will continue to be overrepresented in dog attacks. A licensing system could be feasible, but there will always be some that slip throught the cracks.

Yeah, ban 'em. Not outright, but phase them out I guess. There's plenty of other breeds of dogs out there and nobody really needs a pitbull - about the only legitimate thing theyre good for is pig hunting, and theres plenty of other breeds that are just as good if not better for the job.

That's the crux of the matter, although the breed is highly strung and aggressive compared to most others, its the training (or lack of) that brings this to the fore. The fact that the dropkicks who owned the dog in this case were too afraid to try to physically restrain it shows exactly what sort of training this dog had.

Don't make excuses, the RSPCA terminates dogs like this without any questions asked Wink

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Child killed by Pitbull. Reply #9 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 3:58am You can bring out the aggression in any number of dog breeds, bull arabs, mastiffs, dobermanns, Alsatians, so the answer is to exterminate bogans.
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Reply #10 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 5:52am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 3:42pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2011 at 2:56pm:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/pitbull-owners-stood-back-and-watched-it-attack-...

Did you guys already post this somewhere, if so, sorry

This dog escaped its own yard, and entered someone elses home, where this child was killed and another injured.

The dog responsable has since been destroyed.

I have heard the cry for pitbulls to be banned, I have heard how people get around it by calling them something else.
I am not sure what my opinion is about banning pitbulls.

Don't ban the breed, ban the idiots who own them...Like Wesley said, there's a certain type of person who either mistreats the dog, doesn't train it at all, or trains it to be aggressive...

A friend of mine had a pure breed American Pitbull, and two small children.....the kids used to climb all over the dog, pull on his ears and tail, and the dog just stood there and took it......because that's how he'd trained it...

i have heard that poo.
and also how suddenly one day out of the blue that same dog flips and attacks some kid.
kill all the pitbull dogs

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Re: Child killed by Pitbull.
Reply #11 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 7:29am

Grey wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 3:58am:

You can bring out the aggression in any number of dog breeds, bull arabs, mastiffs, dobermanns, Alsatians, so the answer is to exterminate bogans. Grin

Couldn't agree more, Grey.

It is NOT the fault of the breed, I've owned them, and
have been around them for years.

The problem lies with aggressive, macho, poorly-educated
people (usually men) who use these breeds as some kind
of penis-extension (a bit like some others use their cars).

Banning the breed is not the answer (banning NEVER is)
but some restriction is inevitable, given the shrill and
ignorant calls for bans.

De-sexed and properly trained, these dogs are NO MORE
aggressive or dangerous than any other breed.

The trouble is, this sort of 'banning' BS has gone on forever,
when I was a kid it was Alsatians they were trying to ban, then
Dobermanns, then Rotties.

Now it's Pit-bulls.

The world turns.........nothing new.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52666 At my desk.	Re: Child killed by Pitbull. Reply #12 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 9:08am So you have to chop their balls off and train them in order to make them safe enough to have around other people?
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Child killed by Pitbull. Reply #13 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 9:15am freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 9:08am: So you have to chop their balls off and train them in order to make them safe enough to have around other people? Seems like plain common-sense to me, Freediver. For ANY dog.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52666 At my desk.	Re: Child killed by Pitbull. Reply #14 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 9:18am I would not fear being mauled to death by a chihuahua unless it had surgical intervention and special training on not killing people.
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