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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #195 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:47pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

It's obviously a lie. Do you know when China limits Chinese citizen have only one child, the minorities are not limited by the policy. Do you know the growth of the population of Tibetans?

If you call it as ethnic cleansing, it's to Han people.

What will you think if Australia limits white people can only have one child and do not limit all other races? Is it crazy? It's what happening in China. TODAY!

I don't know if they are fool, but I am sure they are not racist of Chinese.

You can not be serious. These are people who are opposed to China. How nice of China not to enforce their laws onto them...

Find minority groups in the main cities who have special laws written in that say they are exempt and you may have something.

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Reply #196 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Firstly, Chinese is never a pure culture in the history.

I know of no culture that is... so your point is moot.

What is important here is that more than 90% of the population identify themselves ethnically as Han Chinese.

No one ethnicity in Australia can do that. We are multi ethnic and proud of it.

And where you have an almost homogeneous ethnicity, there you will find an almost homogeneous culture also.... and you will also find a fight to protect that mono-culture, which explains the atrocities against humanity which still go on today in Han China.

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And yes, there are difference between the map of Han and Qing in the 2000 years...

And that difference is no where else replicated in the world. How many Han Chinese are there? Billions yes? In fact, are not the Han Chinese the largest ethnic group in the world? Rhetorical question... we know they are.

I wonder... how many other ethnic groups did the Han Chinese displace in order to grow into the Billions as they have?

And then members this super sized ethnic mono-culture has the audacity to point their finger at the Multicultures of this World and say we are Racist?

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Reply #197 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:05pm

Please try to know more about China. Some guys are against the government of China because many different reasons, yes, there are some oppressing but it's not because of cultures. All the Chinese citizen have not real rights to vote still. That's the main problem.

About the policies of minorities in China. It's obviously that minorities have privilege not only about children born but also in the education chance and many other issues.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

It's obviously a lie. Do you know when China limits Chinese citizen have only one child, the minorities are not limited by the policy. Do you know the growth of the population of Tibetans?

If you call it as ethnic cleansing, it's to Han people.

What will you think if Australia limits white people can only have one child and do not limit all other races? Is it crazy? It's what happening in China. TODAY!

I don't know if they are fool, but I am sure they are not racist of Chinese.

You can not be serious. These are people who are opposed to China. How nice of China not to enforce their laws onto them...

Find minority groups in the main cities who have special laws written in that say they are exempt and you may have something.

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Reply #198 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:09pm

Do you know why there are so many people identify themselves as Chinese?

There are many intruders merged to Chinese in the history. Because racism is never a problem in Chinese culture. There is never segregation when Chinese ruled the country. That's why there are more and more "Chinese" with different culture backgrounds actually.

I identify myself as an Australian. However, some guys here said, "You are not an Australian".

Do you know the difference?

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Firstly, Chinese is never a pure culture in the history.

I know of no culture that is... so your point is moot.

What is important here is that more than 90% of the population identify themselves ethnically as Han Chinese.

No one ethnicity in Australia can do that. We are multi ethnic and proud of it.

And where you have an almost homogeneous ethnicity, there you will find an almost homogeneous culture also.... and you will also find a fight to protect that mono-culture, which explains the atrocities against humanity which still go on today in Han China.

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And yes, there are difference between the map of Han and Qing in the 2000 years...

And that difference is no where else replicated in the world. How many Han Chinese are there? Billions yes? In fact, are not the Han Chinese the largest ethnic group in the world? Rhetorical question... we know they are.

I wonder... how many other ethnic groups did the Han Chinese displace in order to grow into the Billions as they have?

And then members this super sized ethnic mono-culture has the audacity to point their finger at the Multicultures of this World and say we are Racist?

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Reply #199 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:26pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

Do you know why there are so many people identify themselves as Chinese?

Because they are Chinese of course. Silly question.

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There are many intruders merged to Chinese in the history.

Wrong. Han China intruded upon the other ethic groups who did not at the time of their occupation and subsequent assimilation identify as Chinese Han or otherwise.

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Because racism is never a problem in Chinese culture.

In a society which is almost homogeneous how could there be racism?

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There is never segregation when Chinese ruled the country.

Then why do the more than 50 ethnic Non Han Chinese population live on the outskirts of the Han population?

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I identify myself as an Australian. However, some guys here said, "You are not an Australian".

OMG... me too! I'm a citizen of this country. I was born in this country. But its overarching culture is not my culture.

Nonetheless, because this is a multicultural society, I am most privileged to enjoy my culture and share it with those interested in engaging with it.

In China, I would be persecuted for my way of life.

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Do you know the difference?

Is my experience of the difference different to your experience of the difference?

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Reply #200 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:33pm

Please learn some history of China before you draw any conclusion.

There are many evidence that people from other cultures merged to Chinese.

The most recent is Manchu. I have a little Manchu ancestry still.

And how can you explain a racism government decide the one child policy exception for minorities?

You are wrong. Not everybody are racists like you.

Sappho wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:26pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

Do you know why there are so many people identify themselves as Chinese?

Because they are Chinese of course. Silly question.

Quote:

There are many intruders merged to Chinese in the history.

Wrong. Han China intruded upon the other ethic groups who did not at the time of their occupation and subsequent assimilation identify as Chinese Han or otherwise.

Quote:

Because racism is never a problem in Chinese culture.

In a society which is almost homogeneous how could there be racism?

Quote:

There is never segregation when Chinese ruled the country.

Then why do the more than 50 ethnic Non Han Chinese population live on the outskirts of the Han population?

Quote:

I identify myself as an Australian. However, some guys here said, "You are not an Australian".

OMG... me too! I'm a citizen of this country. I was born in this country. But its overarching culture is not my culture.

Nonetheless, because this is a multicultural society, I am most privileged to enjoy my culture and share it with those interested in engaging with it.

In China, I would be persecuted for my way of life.

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Do you know the difference?

Is my experience of the difference different to your experience of the difference?

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Reply #202 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:40pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

If you really believe China is a communist nation now, you are fooled by the medias of China.

How the officers of a communist nation have billions of dollar? They are not communists, they are monopoly capitalists.

They plunder the citizen of China. And sell China to their allies the huge western companies.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

The Chinese are a worry for the world.
We don't want communist nation as most powerful.

Sorry but my personal opinion is that I would like the USA to remain the most powerful in the world .
This is because of their philosophies on life and freedom compared to China who I do not trust.

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Reply #203 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:51pm

I'm not against USA to be the most powerful country before China become a real republic.

However, do you know how to keep being the most powerful country without wars? The only way is technology.

Western people should produce more products and focus on new technologies. Racism won't provide any help to be a powerful country.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

If you really believe China is a communist nation now, you are fooled by the medias of China.

How the officers of a communist nation have billions of dollar? They are not communists, they are monopoly capitalists.

They plunder the citizen of China. And sell China to their allies the huge western companies.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

The Chinese are a worry for the world.
We don't want communist nation as most powerful.

Sorry but my personal opinion is that I would like the USA to remain the most powerful in the world .
This is because of their philosophies on life and freedom compared to China who I do not trust.

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Reply #204 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:55pm

Firstly, I attempted to explain that I come with goodwill and want to join you together.

However, you guys teach me, there is nothing to talk with racists.

You guys don't care about a better Australia but only focus on the difference from you.

So be it.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

You are wrong. Not everybody are racists like you.

You learn fast Bowen - Already using the 'racist' tag to shut down debate.

You'll fit in well here.

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Reply #205 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:18pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

Firstly, I attempted to explain that I come with goodwill and want to join you together.

However, you guys teach me, there is nothing to talk with racists.

You guys don't care about a better Australia but only focus on the difference from you.

So be it.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

You are wrong. Not everybody are racists like you.

You learn fast Bowen - Already using the 'racist' tag to shut down debate.

You'll fit in well here.

Blaming everyone but yourself - boy, you really do learn fast.

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Reply #206 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:26pm

Blame everyone but yourself. It's what you guys showed me in this forum.

It seems I did not post a topic about "White people".

But there are many topics about Chinese.

Who is blaming?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

Firstly, I attempted to explain that I come with goodwill and want to join you together.

However, you guys teach me, there is nothing to talk with racists.

You guys don't care about a better Australia but only focus on the difference from you.

So be it.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

You are wrong. Not everybody are racists like you.

You learn fast Bowen - Already using the 'racist' tag to shut down debate.

You'll fit in well here.

Blaming everyone but yourself - boy, you really do learn fast.

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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard' Reply #207 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:49pm I will learn more about china... When I decided to move there. Since you have come to Australia, maybe you might like to try to learn something about Australia.
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Reply #208 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:02pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

I'm not against USA to be the most powerful country before China become a real republic.

However, do you know how to keep being the most powerful country without wars? The only way is technology.

Western people should produce more products and focus on new technologies. Racism won't provide any help to be a powerful country.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

If you really believe China is a communist nation now, you are fooled by the medias of China.

How the officers of a communist nation have billions of dollar? They are not communists, they are monopoly capitalists.

They plunder the citizen of China. And sell China to their allies the huge western companies.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

The Chinese are a worry for the world.
We don't want communist nation as most powerful.

Sorry but my personal opinion is that I would like the USA to remain the most powerful in the world .
This is because of their philosophies on life and freedom compared to China who I do not trust.

What does racism have to be with it?
Like you I too am not a Aussie but I understand how they become upset with foreigners like us here if we tell them what to do.

I find frustration in people here who make comments and tell us what to do with not knowing the situation. It is rude for foreigners to go to Australia and tell them they are wrong even if sometime they are.

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Reply #209 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:14pm

I did not tell them what to do before they blame Chinese without any logic.

I believe some topics here are rude and based on racism.

And I don't think I'm a foreigner. I am an Australian now.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

I'm not against USA to be the most powerful country before China become a real republic.

However, do you know how to keep being the most powerful country without wars? The only way is technology.

Western people should produce more products and focus on new technologies. Racism won't provide any help to be a powerful country.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

If you really believe China is a communist nation now, you are fooled by the medias of China.

How the officers of a communist nation have billions of dollar? They are not communists, they are monopoly capitalists.

They plunder the citizen of China. And sell China to their allies the huge western companies.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

The Chinese are a worry for the world.
We don't want communist nation as most powerful.

Sorry but my personal opinion is that I would like the USA to remain the most powerful in the world .
This is because of their philosophies on life and freedom compared to China who I do not trust.

What does racism have to be with it?
Like you I too am not a Aussie but I understand how they become upset with foreigners like us here if we tell them what to do.

I find frustration in people here who make comments and tell us what to do with not knowing the situation. It is rude for foreigners to go to Australia and tell them they are wrong even if sometime they are.

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