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Reply #135 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

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Reply #136 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm

Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture?

Both you and me come to build a good Australia. Each culture has its good part. And I come in peace under the law.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #137 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Yes, I agree with the highlight sentence. The problem is not only white people but also Chinese, Muslim and people with other cultures.

However, Chinese restaurants are not good examples. Just like an Australia employer won't recruit me to be a seller. Waiters in Chinese restaurants need to speak Chinese in most conditions. If most of the customers are English speaker, I believe the restaurants will hire more English speaking waiters.

Can I say an employer refuse to accept me as a seller because my poor English is racism? No, I can not.

Anyway, I agree that any races have some racists. We need to be together to against all of them.

Why would Chinese waiters need to speak Chinese if everyone in the nation knows English? If there are Chinese who can't speak English I guess it is because they want a "separated society".

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Reply #138 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:28pm

Why not Chinese customer speak Chinese when they get service?

I said many times. Speak my native language is my human rights.

Do you understand?

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Yes, I agree with the highlight sentence. The problem is not only white people but also Chinese, Muslim and people with other cultures.

However, Chinese restaurants are not good examples. Just like an Australia employer won't recruit me to be a seller. Waiters in Chinese restaurants need to speak Chinese in most conditions. If most of the customers are English speaker, I believe the restaurants will hire more English speaking waiters.

Can I say an employer refuse to accept me as a seller because my poor English is racism? No, I can not.

Anyway, I agree that any races have some racists. We need to be together to against all of them.

Why would Chinese waiters need to speak Chinese if everyone in the nation knows English? If there are Chinese who can't speak English I guess it is because they want a "separated society".

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Reply #139 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

That's your dream.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve.

That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.

Why should I? The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.

No, it's reality.

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Reply #140 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:30pm

You are still living in 19th century.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

That's your dream.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve.

That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.

Why should I? The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.

No, it's reality.

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Reply #141 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:32pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

You are still living in 19th century.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

That's your dream.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve.

That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.

Why should I? The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.

No, it's reality.

That doesn't even make sense.

Do you really think Australia is based on aboriginal culture? Not a whole lot to support that hare-brained assumption is there? So what, if not european cultures, is australian based on? Well, it was built by europeans and was until recently overhwlemingly populated by europeans, so it stands to reason that the cultural values they brought with them will be _________?

Fill in the blank for me would you?

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Reply #142 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:33pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture?

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

Because you have nothing to offer. What can you give that we don't have anyway? We already have your fwied wice, what else are you going to bring to us? Electricity? Sewage treatment? Roads? What the hell do you have to offer?

You come here, learn in our universities how to do stuff, then want to pretend that you have something to offer your teachers. You have nothing that will make the nation better. All you can do in not integrate; turn our suburbs into mini clones of china full of Chinese people speaking and living like the Chinese in their home country, and therefor create "the separated society".

What exactly do you offer? Specifically!

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #143 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:36pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Why not Chinese customer speak Chinese when they get service?

I said many times. Speak my native language is my human rights.

Do you understand?

Because we are in an English speaking country. Do you understand? If you want to have restaurants in this nation, then you can not expect to only serve Chinese people. If you want Chinese customers, go to china.

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Reply #144 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:39pm

What you said only shows you do not understand the world.

It's 21st century. Australia is a part of the world, not on the Mars.

Fortunately, not all people in Australia think like you. Otherwise Australia will be a close country which draggles from the world.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture?

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

Because you have nothing to offer. What can you give that we don't have anyway? We already have your fwied wice, what else are you going to bring to us? Electricity? Sewage treatment? Roads? What the hell do you have to offer?

You come here, learn in our universities how to do stuff, then want to pretend that you have something to offer your teachers. You have nothing that will make the nation better. All you can do in not integrate; turn our suburbs into mini clones of china full of Chinese people speaking and living like the Chinese in their home country, and therefor create "the separated society".

What exactly do you offer? Specifically!

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #145 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:40pm

I'm sorry. living in any culture is my human rights.

You never understand.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Why not Chinese customer speak Chinese when they get service?

I said many times. Speak my native language is my human rights.

Do you understand?

Because we are in an English speaking country. Do you understand? If you want to have restaurants in this nation, then you can not expect to only serve Chinese people. If you want Chinese customers, go to china.

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Reply #147 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:43pm

Australia start from aboriginal culture. Your forefather were immigrants (if not invaders).

I respect the good part of your culture. I agree it built a better Australia. However, it can not monopolize the culture of Australia. There are many other cultures with good part that can build a better Australia. The competition and amalgamation in peace between cultures are healthy for a society.

Why you fear the competition in peace?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

You are still living in 19th century.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

That's your dream.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve.

That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.

Why should I? The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.

No, it's reality.

That doesn't even make sense.

Do you really think Australia is based on aboriginal culture? Not a whole lot to support that hare-brained assumption is there? So what, if not european cultures, is australian based on? Well, it was built by europeans and was until recently overhwlemingly populated by europeans, so it stands to reason that the cultural values they brought with them will be _________?

Fill in the blank for me would you?

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #148 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

What you said only shows you do not understand the world.

It's 21st century. Australia is a part of the world, not on the Mars.

Fortunately, not all people in Australia think like you. Otherwise Australia will be a close country which draggles from the world.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture?

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

Because you have nothing to offer. What can you give that we don't have anyway? We already have your fwied wice, what else are you going to bring to us? Electricity? Sewage treatment? Roads? What the hell do you have to offer?

You come here, learn in our universities how to do stuff, then want to pretend that you have something to offer your teachers. You have nothing that will make the nation better. All you can do in not integrate; turn our suburbs into mini clones of china full of Chinese people speaking and living like the Chinese in their home country, and therefor create "the separated society".

What exactly do you offer? Specifically!

Again you give no information. What does your culture give Australia? Give specifics! What is it that makes the Australians who were born here better off because you came here?

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #149 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

Australia start from aboriginal culture. Your forefather were immigrants (if not invaders).

The land that would come to be known as Australia "start from aboriginal culture". But once the aborigines were conquered and Australia was born, that aboriginal culture had no relevance. It was reaplced by the culture of the nation builders - Europeans.

Is it a language barrier that prevents you from understanding this?

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