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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22888 A cat with a view	Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard' Reply #105 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am Soren wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:49am: SOB turns up - thread's buggered. Now, she will blame me!
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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #106 - Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA, finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #107 - Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA, finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #108 - Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:53am

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean?

Report it. Let nursie know you don't understand. NURSIE!!

Report everything you don't understand - that way you will never have time to post anything.

Obviously you have no argument or anything to contribute to the discussion so are resorting to this crap again.

SOB

Compared to your usual contribution?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean? Did you drink too much bleach this morning?

SOB

Really deep and well-considered and thoughtful - just what we have come to expect from you.

I can see a pattern there - I have highlighted it for you. Why don't you go and tell Nursie that I quoted you back to you and made fun of you and of what you have said with a straight face. It will make her really cross and she will give you a lolly, pat your head and say 'there, there'.

Replying to crap tends to end up crap also. You poison everything you go near.

SOB

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- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #109 - Nov 4^th, 2012 at 12:10pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA, finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

We are not talking about 'liking' cultures - that's how tourists look at them -, we are talking about ranking them in order of value.

I say that Western culture is superior to others. You also think that - you have chosen it above your own Chinese culture. But you also feel guilty about ranking another culture above your own so you pretend that your choice of coming to the West is not an act of voting it to be a superior culture, when it very obviously is.

You have voted with your feet by coming here.

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #110 - Nov 4^th, 2012 at 12:36pm

Following your way, I can say I am superior to you. I'm good, you are bad. I think both of us know it. You just show your dread. Because you do not have confidence to compete with me under the equal rules.

Do not hide yourself in "western culture". In any culture, there are good people and bad people.

You are not the representative of western culture.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA, finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

We are not talking about 'liking' cultures - that's how tourists look at them -, we are talking about ranking them in order of value.

I say that Western culture is superior to others. You also think that - you have chosen it above your own Chinese culture. But you also feel guilty about ranking another culture above your own so you pretend that your choice of coming to the West is not an act of voting it to be a superior culture, when it very obviously is.

You have voted with your feet by coming here.

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Re: Call to scrap citizenship test - 'too hard'
Reply #111 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 12:22pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA, finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

Wot Soren said.

Many as those who are critical of us ['Westerners'], and are want to call us racists and bigots, will, it seems, do almost anything to come to the 'West' [to escape living in their own NOT 'Western', hell holes!~].

And then they will complain, because we want them to be like us, and because we criticise and reject, many of the worst aspects of their failed culture.

Illogical!

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May 18, 2011
Daily Telegraph- Sharia already in Sydney, say Muslim leaders
[in the article comments, by 'Bill';
"Muslims fled a failed culture which they want to introduce into Australia.....There is a chasm between the public relations spin of Muslim groups and reality!"]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sy...

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Reply #112 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:28am

I think you can criticise the worst part of any culture. Just like I point out the bad part of western culture. But you should not criticise any culture only because it's different from you. Just like I learn the good part of western culture.

Yadda wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA, finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

Wot Soren said.

Many as those who are critical of us ['Westerners'], and are want to call us racists and bigots, will, it seems, do almost anything to come to the 'West' [to escape living in their own NOT 'Western', hell holes!~].

And then they will complain, because we want them to be like us, and because we criticise and reject, many of the worst aspects of their failed culture.

Illogical!

e.g.

Quote:

May 18, 2011
Daily Telegraph- Sharia already in Sydney, say Muslim leaders
[in the article comments, by 'Bill';
"Muslims fled a failed culture which they want to introduce into Australia.....There is a chasm between the public relations spin of Muslim groups and reality!"]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sy...

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Reply #113 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:32am

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

I think you can criticise the worst part of any culture. Just like I point out the bad part of western culture. But you should not criticise any culture only because it's different from you. Just like I learn the good part of western culture.

Yadda wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA, finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

Wot Soren said.

Many as those who are critical of us ['Westerners'], and are want to call us racists and bigots, will, it seems, do almost anything to come to the 'West' [to escape living in their own NOT 'Western', hell holes!~].

And then they will complain, because we want them to be like us, and because we criticise and reject, many of the worst aspects of their failed culture.

Illogical!

e.g.

Quote:

May 18, 2011
Daily Telegraph- Sharia already in Sydney, say Muslim leaders
[in the article comments, by 'Bill';
"Muslims fled a failed culture which they want to introduce into Australia.....There is a chasm between the public relations spin of Muslim groups and reality!"]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sy...

People should feel free to criticize multiculturalism if they don't like it. Just be respectful and leave out the blatant racism. They never asked the Australian people if they wanted it after all.

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Reply #114 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies.

However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.

Big Dave wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

People should feel free to criticize multiculturalism if they don't like it. Just be respectful and leave out the blatant racism. They never asked the Australian people if they wanted it after all.

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Reply #115 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:29am

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies.

However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.

Again, you say one thing and then another.

So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time.

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Reply #116 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:32am

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies.

However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.

Again, you say one thing and then another.

So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time.

Do you have the same problem with flocks of British/European foreigners as you do with, say, Africans or Indians?

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Reply #117 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:37am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies.

However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.

Again, you say one thing and then another.

So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time.

Do you have the same problem with flocks of British/European foreigners as you do with, say, Africans or Indians?

British/european foreigners don't/can't play the race card. Comparison is invalid.

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Reply #118 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:47am

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

I think you can criticise the worst part of any culture. Just like I point out the bad part of western culture. But you should not criticise any culture only because it's different from you. Just like I learn the good part of western culture.

You cannot be critical from looking at something from nowhere in particular.

The point is that you can criticise a culture only from the perspective of a culture - it can be the same culture or a different one.

And to criticise something, you must first perceive a difference. To perceive a difference you must have a scale of quality for the characteristic you criticise.
That scale, then, is of your own culture's scale, or rather your personal understanding of your own culture's values.

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Reply #119 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:04pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies.

However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.

Again, you say one thing and then another.

So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time.

Do you have the same problem with flocks of British/European foreigners as you do with, say, Africans or Indians?

I would have the same issue if a German came out here and said; "ze auzzy hav nein culture. I rafuzz ta speaks ze engvish". This is about culture, not race. And it is about people who come here who demand respect and changes to accommodate their culture, while refusing to acknowledge that Australias have one of their own.

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