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Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:04am
 
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THE federal government faces calls to scrap Australia's written citizenship test because it is too hard for thousands of migrants who cannot understand the questions.
New Australians are refusing the test for fear of failing and being deported, with just 9043 migrants applying from October to December last year when there should have been about 30,000, The Daily Telegraph reported.

A submission to the Inquiry into Multiculturalism said almost 23 per cent of Sudanese migrants, 17.5 per cent of Afghanis and 16 per cent of Iraqis fail to pass the test on first or subsequent attempts.

The NSW Teachers' Federation demanded the government drop the written questions and return to a "basic spoken English test" as used in the past.



"The citizenship test requires near native-speaker competence in English," the federation's submission says.

"The test ... is particularly disadvantaging certain migrant and refugee groups and lowering their uptake of citizenship. Many refugee groups have reported that due to a fear of failure and a perception of being deported if unsuccessful ... they are far less likely to sit the test at all."

The test is of 20 questions drawn at random from a pool of questions. To pass, applicants must answer 15 correctly. UK migrants top the list of successes, then India, China, South Africa, Philippines, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Korea and Malaysia.
Some Sudanese migrants said yesterday they knew many who had not become citizens because of the test.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/new-aussie-citizens-test-too-hard/story-e6frfkvr-1226103082543#ixzz1TME56qFJ



What is wrong with requiring australian citizens to speaka da english?

It's obviously not that bad, seeing as how 3 of the top 5, and at least 7 out of the top 10 countries who do pass, are not english speaking countries.
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Reply #1 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:09am
 
http://www.citizenship.gov.au/learn/cit_test/_pdf/practice-questions.pdf

Take the test yourself. 


I admit the ability to answer some questions mightn't be essential to 'fitting in' but it is nice to know that people who apply for citizenship (not just residency) value it enough to put in the half hour study that could be required to pass.
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Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:29am
 
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NEW requirements for immigrants to speak basic English before joining their spouse in the UK were deemed racist last night.

It is claimed the language test discriminates against British-Indian families and their traditions, and breaches their human rights.

The Home Office now requires such people to speak a minimum level of English.

But three couples are challenging the rule, introduced by Home Secretary Theresa May in November.

They claim it contravenes their rights to a family life, their right to marry and constitutes discrimination. One case is that of British citizen Rashida Chapti, 54, and husband Vali Chapti, 57, who wants to join her in the UK.

They have been married for 37 years and have six children together. Mr Chapti is an Indian national and does not speak, read or write English.

Mrs Chapti has reportedly been travelling between India and Leicester for around 15 years but has now applied for her husband to join her.

It is a privilege to come to the UK and that is why I am committed to raising the bar for migrants. 

The immigration rules require Mr Chapti to show a basic knowledge of English before he can be given permission to stay. At the High Court in Birmingham yesterday, Manjit Gill QC, for the couple, said the requirement was a breach of their human rights.

It contravened several articles of the European Convention on Human Rights.

He said: “The rule is particularly striking in that it prevents mere residence even though one of the parties is fully entitled to live in this country.”

Home Secretary Theresa May said last year: “It is a privilege to come to the UK and that is why I am committed to raising the bar for migrants.”


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/261315/Bid-to-overturn-racist-English-test-


 
Hmmm...could it be just a coincidence that an almost identical complaint has been made on the very same day, about the UK equivalent test?

Something smells fishy....


 





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Reply #3 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 1:43am
 
An excellent find Wesley. As it is i think the test is a little bit too easy if indians can pass it. also Karnal is crying is his cot because he cant troll here lol Cheesy
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UK migrants top the list of successes, then India, China, South Africa, Philippines, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Korea and Malaysia.



New Zealand is further down the list than India and China. What the fudge?
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Reply #5 - Jul 30th, 2011 at 12:12am
 
Pacific Islanders are not very bright Annie.
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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 5:18pm
 
I had the citizenship test two years ago. It was not hard for me. However, I think there is a mistake.

The test should focus on the content instead of English. Similar to the driver license test, the citizenship test should be host in native language of the candidates.

On the other hand, there should be more knowledge of the democracy, liberty, equal,  organizing of government, constitution and multiple culture policy.

I agree with someone said "No one can not be offended." The citizenship test should also include the principles like this. The candidates should understand the pledge deeply when they become citizens. The test should make the candidates to think if they are really agree with the pledge.






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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 5:20pm
 
Has anybody ever failed the citizenship test?
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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 6:02pm
 
I heard someone failed.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 5:20pm:
Has anybody ever failed the citizenship test?

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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 6:08pm
 
It's not a test to gain entry into the country. It's just a silly quiz so people understand what australia is about.
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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 6:15pm
 
We probably shouldn't have a test that most Australians couldn't pass
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THE federal government faces calls to scrap Australia's written citizenship test because it is too hard for thousands of migrants who cannot understand the questions.
New Australians are refusing the test for fear of failing and being deported, with just 9043 migrants applying from October to December last year when there should have been about 30,000, The Daily Telegraph reported.

A submission to the Inquiry into Multiculturalism said almost 23 per cent of Sudanese migrants, 17.5 per cent of Afghanis and 16 per cent of Iraqis fail to pass the test on first or subsequent attempts.

The NSW Teachers' Federation demanded the government drop the written questions and return to a "basic spoken English test" as used in the past.



"The citizenship test requires near native-speaker competence in English," the federation's submission says.

"The test ... is particularly disadvantaging certain migrant and refugee groups and lowering their uptake of citizenship. Many refugee groups have reported that due to a fear of failure and a perception of being deported if unsuccessful ... they are far less likely to sit the test at all."

The test is of 20 questions drawn at random from a pool of questions. To pass, applicants must answer 15 correctly. UK migrants top the list of successes, then India, China, South Africa, Philippines, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Korea and Malaysia.
Some Sudanese migrants said yesterday they knew many who had not become citizens because of the test.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/new-aussie-citizens-test-too-hard/story-e6frfkvr-1226103082543#ixzz1TME56qFJ



What is wrong with requiring australian citizens to speaka da english?

It's obviously not that bad, seeing as how 3 of the top 5, and at least 7 out of the top 10 countries who do pass, are not english speaking countries.


The problem isnt speaking english - its writing it.

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Reply #12 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 8:24pm
 
I agree with you. That's why I believe the test should be in native language of candidates.

The important thing is the content not English.



Big Dave wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 6:08pm:
It's not a test to gain entry into the country. It's just a silly quiz so people understand what australia is about.

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Reply #13 - Oct 30th, 2012 at 8:27pm
 
What is wrong with that the candidate use their native language to understand what is Australia? Why not can they be Australia citizen if they are not good at English?

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What is wrong with requiring australian citizens to speaka da english?

It's obviously not that bad, seeing as how 3 of the top 5, and at least 7 out of the top 10 countries who do pass, are not english speaking countries.

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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2012 at 7:53pm
 
Bowen wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 8:27pm:
What is wrong with that the candidate use their native language to understand what is Australia? Why not can they be Australia citizen if they are not good at English?


This is too silly.

How could you participate in the life of the country you want to belong to if you did not speak its language well enough?
How could you feel that you belonged to a people you didn't quite understand and, moreover, to whom you couldn't express yourself?


Acquiring citizenship is signing up to the kind of interpersonal relationship the native born have with each other. It is about pledging your way into that kind of relationship. This means communicating like them. In Australia, that means English. If you do not speak English well enough, you do not belong properly.
(This does not mean, of course, that speaking English properly is ALL that is required for meaningful citizenship. It is a necessary but not sufficient condition.)





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