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Reply #45 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 9:58am

Equitist wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 12:50am:

So, to those of you who appear to be concerned about ' anarchy', what say you about Abbott's very public rallying calls for his so-called "people's revolt" - and inciting businesses to fund anti-Govt advertising - and his subsequent speeches at the resulting rallies and meetings!?

Oh, and we should not forget the central (albeit lacklustre) role of Menzies House, in inciting people to attend Abbott's rallies...

you are correct of course..how dare anyone that disagrees with the govt.. have a voice..

I agree all opposition should only agree with the power of the day... and any voter that doesnt like being lied too should suck it up... trust you remember all this when the greens are in opposition nem,.

dont forget GETUP isnt govt.. although I could be wrong there!!! you will correct me I have no doubt.

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Reply #46 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 9:59am

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 5:09pm:

If GetUp believes the information is wrong then under a free democracy they have a right of reply. They have the right to publish opposing information

But this is bully-boy tactic from GetUp

Anyone on the left supporting this bully-boy tactic?

It's called free speech!!

GetUp is using the exact same tactics as the Council of Retailers is.

The Council went to the government and said "If you implement a carbon tax, we will run an ad campaign against you".

Getup are simply saying to the retailers. "If you implement a campaign against carbon tax, we will run an ad campaign against you".

Whats the difference.

The retailers are trying to hide behind the council. Good job they are outed. This is what is called accountability. This is a good thing.
If the retailers want to make a stand, be prepared to defend it.

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Reply #47 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:03am

adelcrow wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

You fellas should be more worried about Murdochs dodgy rags than non for profit groups like GetUp.
The News Of the World and USA Fox scandals just shows what damage Murdochs gutter media and his morally bankrupt journalists do around the globe.
Its no surprise Ackers, Bolt, Jones, Strop Abbott and the far right of the Coaltion are in his corrupt back pocket.

.. ha.ha.. anything but the topic eh .. well thats no surprise...well the News of the World is goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...and rightly so of course...another watergate only in reverse.. serves them right..

will this govt GETUP and resign as well???? after all it is there by default lies and cheating and collusion..maybe not wiretapping but underhand conniving all the same.

oh thats right wait till Sunday....we havent been waiting long enough and she waits till parliament closes to make this MASSIVE announcement...

ominous music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #48 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:23am

Maqqa wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 5:09pm:

If GetUp believes the information is wrong then under a free democracy they have a right of reply. They have the right to publish opposing information

But this is bully-boy tactic from GetUp

How about THIS one, from
Mick Inc. (Australia) Pty. Ltd.
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CATHOLIC bishops have warned the faithful against voting for the Greens in the state election, saying some of their policies were of ''grave concern''.

Yesterday the NSW Greens outlined a plan which would transfer government funding from wealthy private schools to public schools.

A two-page document entitled The Green Agenda is being circulated by Catholic agencies and through schools.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/dont-vote-greens-say-catholic-bish...

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Reply #49 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:25am

... wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 5:12pm:

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The group's director Simon Sheikh has written to food makers, warning they face action from 570,000 GetUp! members.

Unfortunately, they will count me among those members. I simply wrote them a 'please explain' re: their inaction over labors malaysian solution, next thing I know they're sending me 'welcome to getup emails'
I want nothing to do with the clowns, and I wonder how many more of the 570,000 actually believe in them.[/quote]

Im pretty sure that most of those 'members' are only subscribed to them in order to receive their emails I'm one...always good to know what they're up to! Cool

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Reply #50 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:31am

creatingmyusername wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

... wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 5:12pm:

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The group's director Simon Sheikh has written to food makers, warning they face action from 570,000 GetUp! members.

Unfortunately, they will count me among those members. I simply wrote them a 'please explain' re: their inaction over labors malaysian solution, next thing I know they're sending me 'welcome to getup emails'
I want nothing to do with the clowns, and I wonder how many more of the 570,000 actually believe in them.[/quote]

Im pretty sure that most of those 'members' are only subscribed to them in order to receive their emails I'm one...always good to know what they're up to! Cool

Most of their members are from overseas, so I dont see how they could even use the number for their membership as they do. Best they would be able to come up with is probably 10000 angry lefty loons not shopping at the stores Australia wide. Wow that would hurt.

If you are an indirect member, I would write them and complain about being used as a number toward things you clearly dont believe in.

Wouldnt the hard core (10000) getup members actually shop at stores other than the ones they say they will boycott, like some environmentally friendly store.

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Reply #51 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:32am

I see no difference between GetUp, The minerals council, the retailers council, and the catholics.

All are using the media to run anti or pro campaigns loosely aligned with political parties.

The sad fact is that these are driven by money. The one with the deepest pockets wins. In the old days, a physical protest march was required. This actually needed real people on your side. A protest of 10,000 can be dismissed. A protest of 1,000,000 cant.

I, for one, dont like where this is going.

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Reply #52 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:41am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

I see no difference between GetUp, The minerals council, the retailers council, and the catholics.

All are using the media to run anti or pro campaigns loosely aligned with political parties.

The sad fact is that these are driven by money. The one with the deepest pockets wins. In the old days, a physical protest march was required. This actually needed real people on your side. A protest of 10,000 can be dismissed. A protest of 1,000,000 cant.

I, for one, dont like where this is going.

well there is a difference actuallyu.. GETUP have a large membership.. why I am not sure but it over 300.000. I believe..

they email their members and their members jump... aka.. marching through the cities.. and emailing their local members with the GETUP complaint of the day.. which they dooooooooooooooooooooo..

and it terrifies the local members...

not sure if the Min eral Council do that or the retail council as I am a member of neither..

however Get Up are not directly affected by this CARBON TAX.... so I do not see why they have such a voice that only wishes to see one side of this argument..

no matter what there are two sides.....

and the only ones in this case directly affected... the minerals and retail sections you are saying dont have any more rights that GETUP.. who as far as I know will never be affected by this CARBON TAX.

thats a bit like saying GETUP have as much rights as the cattlemens assoc..how.. why????

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Reply #53 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 11:04am

cods wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:41am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

I see no difference between GetUp, The minerals council, the retailers council, and the catholics.

All are using the media to run anti or pro campaigns loosely aligned with political parties.

The sad fact is that these are driven by money. The one with the deepest pockets wins. In the old days, a physical protest march was required. This actually needed real people on your side. A protest of 10,000 can be dismissed. A protest of 1,000,000 cant.

I, for one, dont like where this is going.

well there is a difference actuallyu.. GETUP have a large membership.. why I am not sure but it over 300.000. I believe..

they email their members and their members jump... aka.. marching through the cities.. and emailing their local members with the GETUP complaint of the day.. which they dooooooooooooooooooooo..

and it terrifies the local members...

not sure if the Min eral Council do that or the retail council as I am a member of neither..

There has never been a more successful campaign than that done by the minerals council on Rudd. This shows membership is meaningless.
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however Get Up are not directly affected by this CARBON TAX.... so I do not see why they have such a voice that only wishes to see one side of this argument..

no matter what there are two sides.....

and the only ones in this case directly affected... the minerals and retail sections you are saying dont have any more rights that GETUP.. who as far as I know will never be affected by this CARBON TAX.

thats a bit like saying GETUP have as much rights as the cattlemens assoc..how.. why????

In a democracy, every voice is equal, So they have the right to speak as much as anyone.

The anti-carbon tax side keep insisting that ordinary people will be "paying" the tax, so if this is true, each member of get-up is affected*. *

And the converse is more true, because if no action on climate change is taken, then each member of get-up's children will be affected, as all the public will.

Note: * - My belief is that ordinary people will be just as affected by a carbon tax as they would be by a lift in company tax rate. Which is a bit yes, and a bit no.
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Reply #54 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 11:16am

cods wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:41am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

I see no difference between GetUp, The minerals council, the retailers council, and the catholics.

All are using the media to run anti or pro campaigns loosely aligned with political parties.

The sad fact is that these are driven by money. The one with the deepest pockets wins. In the old days, a physical protest march was required. This actually needed real people on your side. A protest of 10,000 can be dismissed. A protest of 1,000,000 cant.

I, for one, dont like where this is going.

well there is a difference actuallyu.. GETUP have a large membership.. why I am not sure but it over 300.000. I believe..

they email their members and their members jump... aka.. marching through the cities.. and emailing their local members with the GETUP complaint of the day.. which they dooooooooooooooooooooo..

and it terrifies the local members...

not sure if the Min eral Council do that or the retail council as I am a member of neither..

however Get Up are not directly affected by this CARBON TAX.... so I do not see why they have such a voice that only wishes to see one side of this argument..

no matter what there are two sides.....

and the only ones in this case directly affected... the minerals and retail sections you are saying dont have any more rights that GETUP.. who as far as I know will never be affected by this CARBON TAX.

thats a bit like saying GETUP have as much rights as the cattlemens assoc..how.. why????

Because GetUp is a "voice" for some 570,000 plus individual members

GetUp's direction, policy and campaigns are DETERMINED by this membership

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Do you have a campaign suggestion, or a great idea for a tactic that would improve a current GetUp campaign? Search below to see if it's already here, and if so, you can add your support by voting for it. If not, add your own idea below.

http://suggest.getup.org.au/forums/60819-getup-campaign-suggestions

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Reply #56 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 12:04pm

Because GetUp is a "voice" for some 570,000 plus individual members

GetUp's direction, policy and campaigns are DETERMINED by this membership

like WOW>..so why is the left so dead set against the opposition... opposing?????????.

I would think there are far more Liberal voters than members of GETUP..although I am impressed 570.000.. last I heard it was 300.000 or there abouts..when do you think GETUP will become a party in its own right then????

I am sure at this rate they have more members than the ALP..

amazing how so many can all have the same idea about this boycott... can we assume they dont actually depend on these business' for their living..

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beware Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 783	Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Reply #57 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 12:05pm The facebook page has 17,266 members....... You should check out some of the media on it!!!
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Reply #58 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 12:08pm beware wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 12:05pm: The facebook page has 17,266 members....... You should check out some of the media on it!!! Well that is a bit closer to the actual Australian membership of getup.
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Reply #59 - Jul 8^th, 2011 at 12:10pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 11:04am:

cods wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:41am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

I see no difference between GetUp, The minerals council, the retailers council, and the catholics.

All are using the media to run anti or pro campaigns loosely aligned with political parties.

The sad fact is that these are driven by money. The one with the deepest pockets wins. In the old days, a physical protest march was required. This actually needed real people on your side. A protest of 10,000 can be dismissed. A protest of 1,000,000 cant.

I, for one, dont like where this is going.

well there is a difference actuallyu.. GETUP have a large membership.. why I am not sure but it over 300.000. I believe..

they email their members and their members jump... aka.. marching through the cities.. and emailing their local members with the GETUP complaint of the day.. which they dooooooooooooooooooooo..

and it terrifies the local members...

not sure if the Min eral Council do that or the retail council as I am a member of neither..

There has never been a more successful campaign than that done by the minerals council on Rudd. This shows membership is meaningless.
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however Get Up are not directly affected by this CARBON TAX.... so I do not see why they have such a voice that only wishes to see one side of this argument..

no matter what there are two sides.....

and the only ones in this case directly affected... the minerals and retail sections you are saying dont have any more rights that GETUP.. who as far as I know will never be affected by this CARBON TAX.

thats a bit like saying GETUP have as much rights as the cattlemens assoc..how.. why????

In a democracy, every voice is equal, So they have the right to speak as much as anyone.

The anti-carbon tax side keep insisting that ordinary people will be "paying" the tax, so if this is true, each member of get-up is affected*. *

And the converse is more true, because if no action on climate change is taken, then each member of get-up's children will be affected, as all the public will.

Note: * - My belief is that ordinary people will be just as affected by a carbon tax as they would be by a lift in company tax rate. Which is a bit yes, and a bit no.
Wink

so its ok that a group of 570.000 bitter individuals can organise a boycott of products produced by people who will be soundly affected by this TAX..

and by your own words have every right to protest... not threaten btw..

as we have seen by the march also organised by GETUP.. that some apparantly cant wait to be TAXED...I am sure GETUP will send the tax dept a list of their membership so they can be suitably charged.. a levy to save the planet..

in the mean time.. some companies could be sent to the wall with this boycott..it could be the case.. doesnt this seem a little out of proportion, to you?

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