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Doctor Jolly

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Climate Change. How to benefit from it ?
Jun 29^th, 2011 at 9:18am

Firstly this is not a thread for deniers. You can peddle your bullsh1t in plenty of other threads.

This thread is a discussion of what you, as an individual should be doing, or planning to do, to prepare for a warmer world.

I have been thinking about this for a while, but havent really done any research about it.

It would seem to me that owning land (rural land) would be a wise investment. IN a warmed world, there will be high demand for carbon sinks where storage in soils and tree's can come in. Also, longer term, there will be shortages of basics like food and water. By having a large tract of land you can self-support more of your needs than having a city block where you are at the mercy of the market.

If land is the answer, then where should you buy it. Most people, including me do not have the resources to buy an operational farm (nor the time), so you'd be looking at undeveloped land. But bearing in mind that you have to model the productivity of that land in a warmed world. Maybe what is worthless scrub today will be productive land in the future. Maybe what is productive land now will be desert in the future.

Interesting to discuss. Because the ones who plan and get in first will be the winners long term.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #1 - Jun 29^th, 2011 at 10:26am Buy up vast tracts of land in svalbard. Sure it might be an ice-covered wasteland now, but if what the alarmists say is true, in a few years it will be a lush, fertile paradise.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #2 - Jun 29^th, 2011 at 11:38am Actually it IS a thread for 'deniers'.. Adapting to climate change is the only thing we can do, since we can't stop it...
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PlayersPlay Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 378	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #3 - Jun 30^th, 2011 at 12:04am We can only mitigate the rate of change... A carbon price is part of the adaption process........... Individuals can only become aware that greed is the problem!!! Adaption is the key word!!! Adapting to a low carbon economy brings a lower risk of catastrophic change!!
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #4 - Jun 30^th, 2011 at 4:37pm Are you guys telling me that no one else has thought of this ? prepare thyselves.
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PlayersPlay Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 378	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #5 - Jun 30^th, 2011 at 10:53pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 30^th, 2011 at 4:37pm: Are you guys telling me that no one else has thought of this ? prepare thyselves. For what?
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Reply #6 - Jul 1^st, 2011 at 11:17am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 29^th, 2011 at 9:18am:

Firstly this is not a thread for deniers. You can peddle your bullsh1t in plenty of other threads.

This thread is a discussion of what you, as an individual should be doing, or planning to do, to prepare for a warmer world.

I have been thinking about this for a while, but havent really done any research about it.

It would seem to me that owning land (rural land) would be a wise investment. IN a warmed world, there will be high demand for carbon sinks where storage in soils and tree's can come in. Also, longer term, there will be shortages of basics like food and water. By having a large tract of land you can self-support more of your needs than having a city block where you are at the mercy of the market.

If land is the answer, then where should you buy it. Most people, including me do not have the resources to buy an operational farm (nor the time), so you'd be looking at undeveloped land. But bearing in mind that you have to model the productivity of that land in a warmed world. Maybe what is worthless scrub today will be productive land in the future. Maybe what is productive land now will be desert in the future.

Interesting to discuss. Because the ones who plan and get in first will be the winners long term.

Good intent and I agree, deniers are fools.

But buying land? Not thought through mate. Haven't you seen what has happened to land over the last decade? Drought followed by floods. Can't grow anything on that pattern and can't use the land for storage either as the floods will bring it back up.

As it gets warmer, and it will, hopefully not more than the 2 degrees projects are aimed at, weather will get more extreme and land will become riskier by the day.

If you're looking for ways to take advantage of climate change then look to issues of safety, high ground with secure areas to take cover in. DOn't buy near the beach, if you stay where you are the beach will come to you, in time.

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Reply #7 - Jul 1^st, 2011 at 11:27am

You make a good point.

Buying near a beach for long term would be unwise.

Land is still worth it IMO, It may be less useful, but so is all other land.
If you could grow 4 tones of wheat per acres now, you may only be able to grow 1 tone per acre in a few decades time. But that 1 tone is yours, and will fetch a pretty penny.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #8 - Jul 1^st, 2011 at 1:45pm CAN'T BE TOO HARD TO PLANT HEMP AND BURN THAT FOR FUEL..
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Reply #9 - Jul 1^st, 2011 at 1:55pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 1^st, 2011 at 11:27am:

You make a good point.

Buying near a beach for long term would be unwise.

Land is still worth it IMO, It may be less useful, but so is all other land.
If you could grow 4 tones of wheat per acres now, you may only be able to grow 1 tone per acre in a few decades time. But that 1 tone is yours, and will fetch a pretty penny.

Well no, changin weather pattersn just mean that previously 'good' climates will move to areas with previous 'bad' climates. If svalbard doesn't take your fancy, might wanna try the simpson desert.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #10 - Jul 1^st, 2011 at 2:14pm Never said it did. BTW, what is a "svalbard " ?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #11 - Jul 1^st, 2011 at 3:28pm svalbard is about the northernmost bit of land on earth.
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Reply #12 - Jul 1^st, 2011 at 11:55pm

I happen to agree with Doctor Jolly.
A definitely positive action - for some.
I wish the negs would approach the topic with more neutrality - 'cos we've heard it all before.

As for Svalbad being a good investment - nice if you like the nthn climes - but - you'd have to live a looong time to make a gain from a seaside resort........ Twerps.
I remember commenting to a friend 20 odd yrs ago, who had bought a Mt home, - it'll be a beach down there bfore you know it- JOKE> (It WAS close to the coast.) No closer now. He's dead - heart attack - and the beach is nowhere near.

See we have to think of the future, instead of remaining these programmed 'ME' people who have been taught that WE are the most important thing/person in the world.

Most of us grow out of that delusion.
I do have land, ( er - with the Mortgagor) and I do try to do the best I can, learn as much as I can. I have been quite determined to live in the most natural setting I can, and I love it.
A City dweller for a time, I would never, now, live in a city ever again.

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Reply #13 - Jul 2^nd, 2011 at 12:38am

... wrote on Jul 1^st, 2011 at 1:55pm:

Well no, changin weather pattersn just mean that previously 'good' climates will move to areas with previous 'bad' climates. If svalbard doesn't take your fancy, might wanna try the simpson desert.

No it doesn't. And even if it does the soil quality of land in the northern climes of Europe, Asia and North America are incredibly poor. There's not a hope in hell it could support a population of 10+ billion people.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Climate Change. How to benefit from it ? Reply #14 - Jul 3^rd, 2011 at 3:10am Well ---bet you could still grow hemp there -- SUCH a hardy and useful and adaptable plant - truly one of the blessings - we humans are currently too foolish to see.
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