freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2011 at 9:24am:



Ha....(not having read the entire Thread) this is a chin sticking out.

Tell me freediver, what do you think of Islam's stance on democracy?

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:


I reject any doctrine that wants to force me to believe in
something for which there is no proof.

Carl Sagan
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 3:00pm:


Islam does not force anyone to do or believe anything.

The only forcing thats going on is from western secular democracies, who send their armies into countries (Iraq/Afghanistan), and force them to open their markets, give away their resources, and enforce a western secular democratic way of life.

Perhaps you should take a look at what is being done IN YOUR NAME bobby, before having a go at these fantasies which don't exist.

Lestat wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 9:51am:



Rubbish - they kill non-believers.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 11:25pm:



I wonder if Abu will read one of those books?

Freediver - Logic won't work on these guys.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:


lol, this is the problem with discussing anything with you. Time and time you are corrected, yet you come up with the same lies, repeated again and again. Its like you aim to beat people into boredom with your repetitive nonsense.

Apostasy laws in Islam are to do with treason, just as the US and many countries in the west also punish treason with death. But I don't expect someone with your limited abilities to understand.

And whats there to clarify. Tell me, who in Australia has ever been forced to practise Islam. Do you have any examples.

Who in Australia has ever received the death penalty for 'apostasy'..as you put it.

In fact, of the 2 billion muslims world wide, can you tell me in the last decade, how many have been given the death penalty for 'apostasy'.

The ironic thing is only 2 or 3 countries in the world actually enforce this law, and even then, very rarely, yet you continously bring this up. And you wonder why we don't take you seriously.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:


So whats your problem with Islam and muslims in Australia then?

Are we not just practising what you have stated is our 'democratic rights'. Or do non-muslims in Australia have more rights then muslims?

By attacking Islam in Australia, are you not really attacking the right, for a muslims to have a different opinion then yours?

Besides, do you have any examples of this, where in Australia muslims have denied other people their freedom.

On the contrary, in the west it is non-muslims that are denying the freedoms of muslims. I don't think you need me to provide examples. You know what I am talking.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:


No Freediver, Under islamic law, the penalty for treason is death. Why do you keep peddling these lies?

India was under Islamic rule for hundreds of years, yet the majority of the population is still Hindu. Yes, Hindu's who rejected Islam.

Egypt still has a sizeable Christian minority, as do many arab countries. If your lies were true, they would not exist (much like the destruction of South American Indian culture by Christian Spain).

THe fact that their are many churches and synagogues in lands formuly ruled by Islam, is proof that your lies are just that...lies.

Christians/Jews/Hindu's, as well as African peoples all rejected Islam, yet flourished under its rule.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:


I somehow suspect that this would change if you and some others here got their way. Luckily enough, at the moment, you are but a minority of ignorance.

If you became a majority, and this changed, this would highlight the flaws of democracy.

If the majority believe something, it does not make it right.

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:


lol, there you go, lieing again. Please, show me where I said that 'it limits my freedom'. A quote will suffice.

Once again, you make something up to support your argument, why am I not surprised.

And under Islam, people are not killed for speaking their minds. Once again, another lie to cover up the fact that your argument is devoid of facts and substance.

Actually, ironic you bring this up, given that in this age, people in the west are locked away with no charge, merely for what they say, and not what they do.

But hey, we'll turn a blind eye to that....won't we FD?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 11:38pm:



My whole purpose in criticising ISLAM, is that i want to confront everyday moslems with what ISLAM really promotes.

I want to reveal to moslems, those aspects of ISLAM, which reveal ISLAM as a vicious and violent [un-reformable] political tyranny.

I, or anyone else, can confront those who call themselves moslems, with the contents of ISLAM's own foundation texts, and, confront those who call themselves moslems with the vicious and violent conduct of many moslems [often living within majority moslem nations] towards non-moslems.

But those who call themselves moslems, will always refuse to acknowledge those truths [evidences] about ISLAM, about what ISLAM is inspiring, within those who call themselves moslems.

Often times, those very same people who call themselves good moslems, will be overheard [speaking among themselves] praising and justifying examples of moslem violence against non-moslems [while publicly disassociating themselves from such violence].

And those moslems [the ones who are confronted with evidences], will proceed to make 'motherhood' statements and claims, about what the 'real' ISLAM promotes, and is trying to achieve in the world.

But all of the time, those moslems [who are confronted with evidences], will reject every piece of objective evidence which does not conform to, and support, their own 'romanticised' idea of what ISLAM is, or is trying to achieve in the world.

Why so ?

Q.
Why can't those who call themselves moslems, acknowledge the truths [objective evidences] about ISLAM ???

A.
Moslems are not rational people.

A.
Moslems 'present' as people who are not interested [at all] in confronting objective truths, when those objective truths contradict what ISLAM has taught them.

e.g.
Lestat wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 9:51am:




The conclusion that i have come to, is that in their dealings with all non-moslems, moslems are not sincere people.

And very intentionally so.

Google;


Google;



A Study in Muslim Doctrine
"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."
http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine



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"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196


ISLAMIC supremacism is promoted within ISLAM's primary foundation text....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

ISLAM calls on all moslems to engage in holy war with all 'unbelievers'.

In engaging in holy war with all 'unbelievers', ISLAM 'sanctifies' all moslems as righteous people...


Koran 3.110