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Scientists fight back!
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These denier front bottoms have a lot to answer for. Sooner or later somebody IS going to get hurt and it will be Minchin, Abbott and co. with blood on their hands  Sad

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Scientists hit back amid fresh death threats
By science reporter Sarah Clarke

The Executive Director of FASTS, Anna-Maria Arabia, says she received a fresh death threat only this morning. (ABC Breakfast)

Top Australian scientists have united in a new campaign to defend their credibility amid fresh death threats aimed at key climate change scientists.

In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.

Their concern is that the hysteria has now escalated and is spilling over into attacks on their work and threats to their personal safety.

Anna Maria Arabia is the CEO of the nation's peak scientific body, FASTS - the Federation of Australian Science and Technological Societies.

Ms Arabia, who is launching the 'Respect the Science' campaign at Parliament House today, told ABC News Breakfast she had received a fresh death threat only this morning.

"We know there have been some very serious death threats in the past, this is completely unacceptable," she said.

"[I had] an email threatening my life. No scientist should ever have to have their life threatened simply for doing the work they need to do."

Earlier this month, a number of the country's top climate change scientists, including several at the Australian National University (ANU), were targeted by death threats and reported receiving abusive phone calls for months.

ANU was forced to move its scientists to a more secure location and introduced other security measures.

Ms Arabia says today's campaign launch is aimed at restoring public confidence in science, as the hysteria in the climate debate spills over into attacks on all research.

"It is really aimed at looking at the misinformation campaign that's being run against the scientific evidence largely coming from the climate change debate ... and seeing how that is undermining the nation-building work of our scientists," she said.

"So it's really asking the public to have the confidence to respect the science, because there is a very robust methodology behind the scientific information that we use to make decisions every day."

Ms Arabia says the misinformation campaign is largely being run by climate deniers.

"It's unfortunate, because it's aimed at creating confusion, and it really places a question over the validity of the scientific process," she said.

The group of scientists hope that by detailing how the process works, the public will better understand the intense scrutiny the science must undergo in the peer review process, before major decisions can be made.

Chief scientist Ian Chubb, who provides advice to government ministers and the Prime Minister, says science results are rigorously tested.

"It is about ensuring that people understand that there is proper science, properly conducted, properly reviewed and properly debated," he said.

"And the consequences of that debate may change the way we think or they may confirm what we think, but there's a process that underpins everything we do.

"I think it's too easy for people to pick one little bit of this or that and constantly ram it home, because there are a lot of people in the world who know that you don't have to be bright, you just have to sow doubt."
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Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm
 
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In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.


Have they singled out any particular politicians?
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Reply #2 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:20pm:
These denier nasty people have a lot to answer for. Sooner or later somebody IS going to get hurt and it will be Minchin, Abbott and co. with blood on their hands  Sad

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Scientists hit back amid fresh death threats
By science reporter Sarah Clarke

The Executive Director of FASTS, Anna-Maria Arabia, says she received a fresh death threat only this morning. (ABC Breakfast)

Top Australian scientists have united in a new campaign to defend their credibility amid fresh death threats aimed at key climate change scientists.

In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.

Their concern is that the hysteria has now escalated and is spilling over into attacks on their work and threats to their personal safety.

Anna Maria Arabia is the CEO of the nation's peak scientific body, FASTS - the Federation of Australian Science and Technological Societies.

Ms Arabia, who is launching the 'Respect the Science' campaign at Parliament House today, told ABC News Breakfast she had received a fresh death threat only this morning.

"We know there have been some very serious death threats in the past, this is completely unacceptable," she said.

"[I had] an email threatening my life. No scientist should ever have to have their life threatened simply for doing the work they need to do."

Earlier this month, a number of the country's top climate change scientists, including several at the Australian National University (ANU), were targeted by death threats and reported receiving abusive phone calls for months.

ANU was forced to move its scientists to a more secure location and introduced other security measures.

Ms Arabia says today's campaign launch is aimed at restoring public confidence in science, as the hysteria in the climate debate spills over into attacks on all research.

"It is really aimed at looking at the misinformation campaign that's being run against the scientific evidence largely coming from the climate change debate ... and seeing how that is undermining the nation-building work of our scientists," she said.

"So it's really asking the public to have the confidence to respect the science, because there is a very robust methodology behind the scientific information that we use to make decisions every day."

Ms Arabia says the misinformation campaign is largely being run by climate deniers.

"It's unfortunate, because it's aimed at creating confusion, and it really places a question over the validity of the scientific process," she said.

The group of scientists hope that by detailing how the process works, the public will better understand the intense scrutiny the science must undergo in the peer review process, before major decisions can be made.

Chief scientist Ian Chubb, who provides advice to government ministers and the Prime Minister, says science results are rigorously tested.

"It is about ensuring that people understand that there is proper science, properly conducted, properly reviewed and properly debated," he said.

"And the consequences of that debate may change the way we think or they may confirm what we think, but there's a process that underpins everything we do.

"I think it's too easy for people to pick one little bit of this or that and constantly ram it home, because there are a lot of people in the world who know that you don't have to be bright, you just have to sow doubt."


emails can be traced???

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Reply #3 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm:
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In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.


Have they singled out any particular politicians?



Coalition MPs deny man-made climate change


The Liberal Leader in the Senate, Nick Minchin, says a majority of his colleagues do not believe humans are causing climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737675.htm
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Reply #4 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm:
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In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.


Have they singled out any particular politicians?

Are they hoping to find the IPCC there? Arent they overseas?
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Reply #5 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:41pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:30pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm:
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In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.


Have they singled out any particular politicians?



Coalition MPs deny man-made climate change


The Liberal Leader in the Senate, Nick Minchin, says a majority of his colleagues do not believe humans are causing climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737675.htm



Of course humans are contributing to climate change through carbon emissions

but by how much and what impact are the questions these scientists have no answer for now or in the future
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Reply #6 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:42pm
 
Six million Jews didn’t die so Combet could smear a sceptic


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Wednesday, March 23, 2011 at 12:01am

It is deliberate and it is grossly offensive - a foul smear acceptable only to the shameless:

THE Liberal Party has accused Julia Gillard of drawing parallels between climate change and the Holocaust after she branded Tony Abbott a “climate change denier”.

The manager of opposition business Christopher Pyne said that after 11 years as chair of the Parliamentary Friendship Group on Israel, he was offended by the form of words - which he likened to the term “Holocaust denier”.

Amid uproar in the House of Representatives, Mr Pyne asked the Prime Minister to withdraw the comment…

“We know that she is trying to allude to the Holocaust. It is offensive and it must stop”.

Speaker Harry Jenkins refused to accept the basis of the complaint.

Yet the Coalition see no problem with the Pacific Solution which is a direct reference to the Final Soluton!!!
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Reply #7 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:44pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:30pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm:
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In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.


Have they singled out any particular politicians?



Coalition MPs deny man-made climate change


The Liberal Leader in the Senate, Nick Minchin, says a majority of his colleagues do not believe humans are causing climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737675.htm



Of course humans are contributing to climate change through carbon emissions

but by how much and what impact are the questions these scientists have no answer for now or in the future


Not according to the majority of Coalition MP's!!!

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Reply #8 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:46pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:44pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:30pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm:
Quote:
In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.


Have they singled out any particular politicians?



Coalition MPs deny man-made climate change


The Liberal Leader in the Senate, Nick Minchin, says a majority of his colleagues do not believe humans are causing climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737675.htm



Of course humans are contributing to climate change through carbon emissions

but by how much and what impact are the questions these scientists have no answer for now or in the future


Not according to the majority of Coalition MP's!!!

Wink



I would disregard any impact under 5%
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Reply #9 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:53pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:30pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm:
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In an unprecedented move in Canberra today, more than 200 scientists will converge on Parliament House to call on politicians to help stop misinformation in the climate debate.


Have they singled out any particular politicians?



Coalition MPs deny man-made climate change


The Liberal Leader in the Senate, Nick Minchin, says a majority of his colleagues do not believe humans are causing climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737675.htm



Of course humans are contributing to climate change through carbon emissions

but by how much and what impact are the questions these scientists have no answer for now or in the future



And if they could, what amount would bring Abbott's faction of the Liberal Party on side?
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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:59pm
 
FASTS has engaged in public masturbation before:

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FASTS chairman Ken Baldwin wrote an op-ed in the Australian (nasty newspaper that it is) in October 2000 announcing their Technology Clock. It read as follows...

The Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies believes what many technology-savvy commentators are now saying: that the low dollar reflects the parlous state of scientific and technological innovation in our economy.

To emphasise this dire position, FASTS has set up a Technology Dollar Clock. The idea is simple: the clock predicts what FASTS believes will be the value of the Australian dollar against the US dollar in 10 years’ time, based on its average decline over the past 10 years, but modified to include changes in Australia’s S&T performance.

We assume that, if nothing changes, this trend will continue over the next 10 years. From an average value of US57.48c in August, that gives a value for the Aussie dollar approaching US43c in August 2010.

FASTS will be keeping an eye on our science and technology performance over the coming period, and will publish regular updates of the Technology Dollar Clock on our website.

The Dollar Clock is ticking towards US40c, and time is running out.


That's AU$ .43c for every USA dollar.

Just what was the AU$ in October of 2010, 10 years after the omniscient FASTS made its bold statement?

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The Value of the Australian Dollar
Posted on 16 Oct 2010

The Australian dollar overnight in the United States hit $1.00 for the first time since it was floated in 1983.  I think I heard my stash of US dollar bills in my cupboard quivering overnight!

http://www.money-mechanics.com.au/2010/10/the-value-of-the-australian-dollar/


Respect the science! Hell, if FASTS says the sky is blue my advice would be to look up.

As President Dwight D. Eisenhower said in 1961:

   Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity….

   The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present—and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite….

Hat tip to Catallaxy and manalive for most of the above.
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Reply #11 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 9:06pm
 
Scientists are human hating genocidal Nazi ratbags... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 9:13pm
 
well personally I wouldnt know one of these scientists if I fell over them   and I am sure that goes for most people..unless they have their faces plastered all over the websites..plus where they work or live.. sounds pretty melodramatic to me,.

people are angry! however this I admit is going too far.. but thats the way of the world today.. over reaction...

does it accure to these scientists that they too may be over reacting.. to the science.. not the death threats...

I am sure the police would be able to handle this and who knows maybe these guys are looking for a bit of sympathy as gillards polling figures hit the skids.. and one has to put two and two together and come up with CARBON TAX for the reason for that.

she has listened to the scientists yet refuses to listen to the people..

must have got up some folks noses who knows.?
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Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 9:13pm
 
salad in wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 8:59pm:
FASTS has engaged in public masturbation before:

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FASTS chairman Ken Baldwin wrote an op-ed in the Australian (nasty newspaper that it is) in October 2000 announcing their Technology Clock. It read as follows...

The Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies believes what many technology-savvy commentators are now saying: that the low dollar reflects the parlous state of scientific and technological innovation in our economy.

To emphasise this dire position, FASTS has set up a Technology Dollar Clock. The idea is simple: the clock predicts what FASTS believes will be the value of the Australian dollar against the US dollar in 10 years’ time, based on its average decline over the past 10 years, but modified to include changes in Australia’s S&T performance.

We assume that, if nothing changes, this trend will continue over the next 10 years. From an average value of US57.48c in August, that gives a value for the Aussie dollar approaching US43c in August 2010.

FASTS will be keeping an eye on our science and technology performance over the coming period, and will publish regular updates of the Technology Dollar Clock on our website.

The Dollar Clock is ticking towards US40c, and time is running out.


That's AU$ .43c for every USA dollar.

Just what was the AU$ in October of 2010, 10 years after the omniscient FASTS made its bold statement?

Quote:
The Value of the Australian Dollar
Posted on 16 Oct 2010

The Australian dollar overnight in the United States hit $1.00 for the first time since it was floated in 1983.  I think I heard my stash of US dollar bills in my cupboard quivering overnight!

http://www.money-mechanics.com.au/2010/10/the-value-of-the-australian-dollar/


Respect the science! Hell, if FASTS says the sky is blue my advice would be to look up.

As President Dwight D. Eisenhower said in 1961:

   Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity….

   The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present—and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite….

Hat tip to Catallaxy and manalive for most of the above.



Haha, don't believe it for a SECOND. I like that the ONLY piece of "damning" evidence is a remark that the author of the piece just HAPPENED to have kept for ten years and is the ONLY shred of such evidence to exist across cyberspace! How convenient Grin

http://www.google.com.au/search?rlz=1C1CHKB_en-GBAU430AU431&sourceid=chrome&ie=U...

And I love how you so-called "sceptics" won't accept rigorous, peer reviewed evidence published by experts at the top of their fields, yet you swallow crap like this without question. Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 9:16pm
 
They are not scientists, they are Philosophist at best.
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