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Jun 18th, 2011 at 8:33pm
 
Wether you believe me or not.
Thanks to the Internet and not via the Television/Newspaper Medium.
I wish to say that the second GREAT DEPRESSION is officially here.
It will be here (globally) in effect for next 10 years and reach its peak in 3 years - level off for 4 years and wane the following 3 years till Economic recovery.

2011: Great Depression II
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Reply #1 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 8:39pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
Wether you believe me or not.
Thanks to the Internet and not via the Television/Newspaper Medium.
I wish to say that the second GREAT DEPRESSION is officially here.
It will be here (globally) in effect for next 10 years and reach its peak in 3 years - level off for 4 years and wane the following 3 years till Economic recovery.

2011: Great Depression II
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Do you have a link for this or is it just a rave?
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Reply #2 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 8:49pm
 


Contrary to officials and experts remaining in denial, there have been plenty of signs - so it could be here any day, today even...or it may take a while longer...

When it hits this time, it will probably take about 12-48 hours before every Western stockmarket, banking, financial and insurance institution suspends or shuts down its electronic transactions and/or physically posts security officers at its closed doors...

Then again, telecommunications and electronic transactions technology being as it is, it might even take as little as 2 hours for things to go from gangbuster-trading-in-denial to mega-crash...

In Oz, we are likely to wake to the news that it happened overnight...

What happens in the ensuing days, weeks, months and years will doubtless be ugly and gravely violent and depressing...

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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2760414.html

16 June 2011

Great Recession, Great Depression: a sign of things to come

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Ted Lapkin

Is Barack Obama being haunted by the ghost of Great Depression past?

Is the economic malaise currently plaguing the United States taking on an uncanny resemblance to the lost decade of the 1930s?

In May 1939, president Franklin Delano Roosevelt's senior economic advisor made a pilgrimage to Capitol Hill where he raised the white flag of surrender. Secretary of the treasury Henry Morgenthau appeared before the Ways and Means Committee of the US Congress to confess defeat:

We are spending more money than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started and an enormous debt to boot.

The source of Morgenthau's lament was found in the US unemployment rate. Halfway through FDR's second term, official statistics showed the jobless rate hovering stubbornly in the mid-teens. In his testimony to Congress, president Roosevelt's senior economic advisor was essentially admitting that the entire Keynesian construct of the New Deal was a failure.

Of course, those who continue to defend the validity of Keynesian economics point to WWII as definitive proof that their worldview is correct. They argue it was massive wartime deficit spending on tanks, planes and ammunition that stimulated the economy out of its depressed state. And with US unemployment falling to a negligible 4.2 per cent by 1942, at first glance this argument appears to have some merit.

But when one recalls the 12 million men who were conscripted during that time into the armed forces, the pro-Roosevelt narrative is found wanting. With so many healthy males of prime working age being forcibly taken out of the labour force, it's no wonder that unemployment disappeared. The phenomenon of Rosie the Riveter arose from GI Joe being sent to fight in Europe and the Pacific, not from the policies of John Maynard Keynes.

We see a similar track record of failure on the Keynesian policies of Barak Obama. Almost immediately after his entry into office, president Obama and his Democrat Congressional allies enacted a $787 stimulus bill that was supposed to keep unemployment below 8 per cent. President Obama promised that mid-year 2010 would become the US economy's "recovery summer".

But as of June 2011, unemployment numbers have increased by a whopping 1.9 million Americans since Barack Obama signed his economic stimulus package into law. And over the same 28-month period, the Democrats have almost tripled the federal government deficit. With the treasury borrowing 41 cents out of every dollar it spends, the spectre of a US sovereign debt crisis impedes the prospect of economic recovery.

Of course Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd would have us think that the Australian version of Keynesian stimulatory economics worked an absolute charm. Wayne Swan likes to portray himself as a veritable Macaulayan Horatius at the bridge, single-handedly holding off the oncoming hordes of economic depression.

But our current economic resilience owes much more to the $20-billion surplus bequeathed to Kevin Rudd by the departing Coalition team of Howard and Costello. By contrast, the failure of the Obama stimulus program proves that you can't borrow your way to prosperity if you're already eye-deep in debt.

So what do all these grim economic tidings mean for Barack Obama's prospects for re-election? Nothing good. But it is instructive to look back from our current Great Recession to the Great Depression of the 1930s for indications of events to come.

By 1938, the bloom had well and truly come off the Roosevelt political rose. Despite the vast alphabet soup of New Deal programs, America's economy continued to stagnate. The numbers of families reduced to penury by sustained joblessness remained legion. And at that year's mid-term elections, FDR and the Democrats paid the price of failure at the ballot box.

The November 1938 elections saw the Republicans pick up 72 seats in the House of Representatives and an additional six seats in the senate. While the science of opinion polling was still in its infancy, there were indications that FDR was headed for defeat in 1940 as he sought to achieve something unprecedented in US history - a third presidential term.

Professor David Kennedy of Stanford University holds that it was only the coming of WWII that saved Roosevelt from electoral defeat. The conflict in Europe - and in particular the fall of France in June 1940 - allowed FDR to position himself as a strong national security president. By contrast, the Republicans were tainted by the isolationism espoused by some of their leading contenders for the White House during that election year.

The flush of political triumph generated by the raid on Osama bin Laden has already faded. The bump in the polls that the president enjoyed has long since evaporated, with Obama sinking back to an election-losing 48 per cent approval rating that has plagued him over the past 18 months.

If the Republicans can field a good candidate in 2012, Barack Obama's second term is in serious jeopardy. Any incumbent president who runs for re-election in a stagnant economy plagued by high unemployment has an extremely tough row to hoe.

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Reply #4 - Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:03pm
 


/contd.


The only thing that's certain at this stage is that it'll be interesting to watch.

Ted Lapkin is a Research Fellow at the Institute for Public Affairs. He worked as a ministerial advisor to the federal Coalition and as communications director to a senior member of the Republican leadership in the US Congress.


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Reply #5 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 2:58am
 
I love watching the Great Depression (1) docos and how Teddy hired Kennedy to fix the economy after he originally helped to ruin it.
How a lot of those famous photos of people in poverty were all set up and staged by actors.
How National Parks were America's greatest idea during that period.

I don't have any links Bobby - but you know me, I read between the lines and I just look upon Humanity as a whole like looking into the eyes of a Psyche patient.

So who knows? Maybe Mugabe will laugh at Obama (and the UK) - the African American 'Labourer' who thinks he's "all that (thats black)" more than Khoffi Annan. Maybe it won't be a Great Depression?
...maybe it will be a
GREAT INFLATION ...like Gordon Gekko said "Greed is Good" and a lot of people might find it hard to keep up with the Joneses. Wink

Either way - a lot of things are inflating and a lot of things are crashing ...just gonna see before the end of this year which way it will keep going. Don't you just love 'extreme' economy from a nation thats still stuck practising Imperial like a 4th World Mathematical Nation. Roll Eyes No wonder they have economic crises.
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Reply #6 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 8:37am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
Wether you believe me or not.
Thanks to the Internet and not via the Television/Newspaper Medium.
I wish to say that the second GREAT DEPRESSION is officially here.
It will be here (globally) in effect for next 10 years and reach its peak in 3 years - level off for 4 years and wane the following 3 years till Economic recovery.

2011: Great Depression II
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Get a grip buddy. Even Nostradamus couldn't predict what would happen tomorrow and neither can you. You go ahead and have your Great Depression all by yourself while the rest of us get on with life, OK?
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Reply #7 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:50am
 
I find it interesting when we are told to save!!!! not that long ago we were being told to spend.. to save the world as a whole..

but anyway we are told to save our pennies....

yet most countries are in debt up to their eyeballs including ourselves..

and the reason for the shakes now is because they cant meet their repayments...and it doesnt look as if they will be able to.

we are so lucky to have the minerals in our country. yet the greens are trying to put the lid on that.

to do what we are never told.

but its part of their mantra and we are expected to suck it up.laughable

I dont see the arabs shutting down the oil fields.
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Reply #8 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:53am
 
cods wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:50am:
I find it interesting when we are told to save!!!! not that long ago we were being told to spend.. to save the world as a whole..

but anyway we are told to save our pennies....

1) yet most countries are in debt up to their eyeballs including ourselves..

and the reason for the shakes now is because they cant meet their repayments...and it doesnt look as if they will be able to.

we are so lucky to have the minerals in our country. yet the greens are trying to put the lid on that.

to do what we are never told.

but its part of their mantra and we are expected to suck it up.laughable

2) I dont see the arabs shutting down the oil fields.


1) That is not correct, at least not at the moment, as far as OZ is concerned.
Whilst we could be in a better position, such as Norway is, we are in a reasonable position, compared to most other countries, in terms of our Debt to GDP ratio!

2) Believe it or not, that will happen! At least, it will effectively happen, as far as much of the rest of the world is concerned, when their production Declines to the point, where the Oil Producing countries see their own future supplies coming under threat.

When? I would suspect, within 10-20 years?

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Above is a chart of US Production, Consumption & Imports and as can be seen the gap between Consumption & Production has been steadily growing for over 50 years, except for a short period, arising from the Arab Oil Embargo, during the 1970's and the current GFC.

But the US, like many other nations, who have found themselves in the similar position of Consumption exceeding Demand (including Australia), have had the luxury of having other Oil Producing nations to fall back on, such as the OPEC countries.

However, OPEC & Russia do not have that luxury, as they can not import more Oil, ex overseas or ex off planet, so they will cease exports to many foreign customers, when it becomes apparent that their own needs will be found wanting.

When? I would suspect, within 10-20 years?  
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Reply #9 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:30pm
 
As you can see PERCEPTIONS_NOW is very good at ringing forth valuble statistical evidence amongst other things. I really enjoy his/her stuff and gain a lot of insight.
I guess I just add a bit of psychology or something to the effort.
Some things are predictable ...take a look at the very emotional game of NRL where the two best coaches are motivational. The Queenslanders will win the series that is just a dead-set replay of the 1st match itself.
Politics has its own 'direction' in life upon this world, amongst all of the other 'Gifts' of the world and 'their' direction/purpose in the great scheme of things.

Military is the weakness of Europe, such is that it 'suffers' at its hands more than any other region of the world. The only time 'militarisation' was a European strength was in the past ...but that in itself was hand-held rather than projectile weaponry. Medicine is the European strength of the future - its pretty obvious.
So take into context that Mathematics is probably North America's worse factor and it suffers from its effects more than any other region. Asia, you can see - profits.
Australia? Well we may be the worst 'Sporting' region ...but thats for another Topic.

So, when I 'see' a Great Depression/Inflation coming out from the 'Imperial' USA (only 2 nations use Imperial in this day and age) ...it ain't hard to see why.
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Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:00pm
 
How depressing Cheesy LOL

But still if all of these so called financial experts can't agree then anyones guess is as good as the others Wink
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Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:15pm
 
Grin exactly  Wink
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Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 2:51pm
 
What absolute nonsense...If a real Depression ever hits Australia again you wont need to read about it to know it is here. the clues of 30%+ unemployment, food shortages, massive wage drops and so on will sorta clue you in..

true idiocy.
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Reply #13 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 4:56pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
Wether you believe me or not.
Thanks to the Internet and not via the Television/Newspaper Medium.
I wish to say that the second GREAT DEPRESSION is officially here.
It will be here (globally) in effect for next 10 years and reach its peak in 3 years - level off for 4 years and wane the following 3 years till Economic recovery.

2011: Great Depression II
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What you need my boy is to sit down with our esteemed Treasurer, Mr Wayne Swan for a good upbeat lecture. Mr Swan says his budget will create so many jobs that employers are thinking of hiring security teams in case workers are spirited away or kidnapped and put to work by firms short of workers. There won't be enough workers to go around.

Relax. Have some dip.
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Reply #14 - Jun 19th, 2011 at 5:36pm
 
A 'depression' is defined as NEGATIVE GROWTH of at least 10% for a period of at least a year.  

now let's talk about australia that has had 3 negative QUARTERS in almost 20 years.

you lot who are talking about the depression are referring to your mental state not our economic state. I am quite sure for you the Great Depression is already here. You will be eating Nasturtium sandwiches in the cold with no lighting while the rest of the country has meat and potatoes and holidays. The 'depresson' is a mind-set you created and then decided to live in - by choice.

Such folly is difficult to imagine - and yet you do it!
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