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Reply #45 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:21pm
 
Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:18pm:
That's got to be one of the best misinterpretations of a
comment that I've seen for quite a while.


How so? Are you or are you not saying it's OK to harass climate scientists and "let them know" that you dislike their findings?
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #46 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:25pm
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:21pm:
Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:18pm:
That's got to be one of the best misinterpretations of a
comment that I've seen for quite a while.


How so? Are you or are you not saying it's OK to harass climate scientists and "let them know" that you dislike their findings?



Harrass? No. That was YOUR interpretation.

Disagree/dislike? Of course. Why not?

BTW, did you even NOTICE the second half of my comment?
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Reply #47 - Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:30pm
 
Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:25pm:
Harrass? No. That was YOUR interpretation.

Disagree/dislike? Of course. Why not?

BTW, did you even NOTICE the second half of my comment?


How is telling a scientist that you 'disagree' with them because you happen not to believe in the principles of scientific methodology NOT harassment? How would it be any different to a creationist harassing biologists simply because their finding conflict with someone's world view? Or would you condone that too?
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #48 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:24am
 
Equitist wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 10:50pm:
Another thing that I have noticed, is how suggestible, unquestioning and unoriginal most Conservative types are - especially when the source of the propaganda they parrot is of a particular political and/or religious persuasion...




I`ve noticed that from both sides of the political spectrum.
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Reply #49 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:51am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:30pm:
Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:25pm:
Harrass? No. That was YOUR interpretation.

Disagree/dislike? Of course. Why not?

BTW, did you even NOTICE the second half of my comment?


How is telling a scientist that you 'disagree' with them because you happen not to believe in the principles of scientific methodology NOT harassment? How would it be any different to a creationist harassing biologists simply because their finding conflict with someone's world view? Or would you condone that too?

Do you even know what harrassment is?

Generating dicussion with opposing views is very different to offensive behaviour.

I guess anyone who disagrees with you here is engaging in harrassment are they?
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Reply #50 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:53am
 
Verge wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:51am:
astro_surf wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:30pm:
Kat wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 11:25pm:
Harrass? No. That was YOUR interpretation.

Disagree/dislike? Of course. Why not?

BTW, did you even NOTICE the second half of my comment?


How is telling a scientist that you 'disagree' with them because you happen not to believe in the principles of scientific methodology NOT harassment? How would it be any different to a creationist harassing biologists simply because their finding conflict with someone's world view? Or would you condone that too?

Do you even know what harrassment is?

Generating dicussion with opposing views is very different to offensive behaviour.

I guess anyone who disagrees with you here is engaging in harrassment are they?




It would seem so.
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Reply #51 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:02am
 
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And still, the question remains..
Huh


"...Last time I checked... making threats to kill in the ACT was a criminal offence, thanks to section 30 of the Crimes Act (ACT) 1900, and punishable by a maximum of ten years imprisonment. A similar provision for threats to kill via a postal service or carriage service appears in the Schedule to the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act 1995, with a similar punishment.

TEN YEARS in clink? That's a serious offence. So if such threats have been made, why isn't it being fully investigated?..."


http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/06/death-threats-to-anu-scientists/

Where is the news report stating that these claims are being investigated ?..
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Reply #52 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 4:48pm
 
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Hmmm... this is interesting...


"... from fraudulent hate crimes to rape fabrications, the college campus has itself become a victim of a growing parade of "wannabe" victims. Duke, Eastern New Mexico University, Northwestern University, San Francisco State, Guilford College, Miami University of Ohio, Iowa State and the University of Georgia are just the most recent campuses dealing with serious crime fabrications.

And, while most campus hoaxes involve "student-victims," the elite Claremont McKenna College recently found itself a victim of what appears to have been a faculty-perpetrated fraud when..."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040407/news_lz1e7hender.html


....... Huh



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Reply #53 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 7:33pm
 
Flying Binghi wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 4:48pm:
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Hmmm... this is interesting...


"... from fraudulent hate crimes to rape fabrications, the college campus has itself become a victim of a growing parade of "wannabe" victims. Duke, Eastern New Mexico University, Northwestern University, San Francisco State, Guilford College, Miami University of Ohio, Iowa State and the University of Georgia are just the most recent campuses dealing with serious crime fabrications.

And, while most campus hoaxes involve "student-victims," the elite Claremont McKenna College recently found itself a victim of what appears to have been a faculty-perpetrated fraud when..."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040407/news_lz1e7hender.html


....... Huh



h/t -
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So rather than just accepting the likelihood that the ANU is the subject of death threats and other abuse and dismissing it as the act of an extreme fringe that you completely disown and condemn in it's entirety, or something like that, you instead choose to accuse the ANU of lying and fraudulent behaviour (to what end you have decided in that fevered little mind of yours is ANYBODY'S guess)?  Shocked

Certainly an insight into the pathological mindset of denialism.

I suppose, once you believe that the worlds scientific community is involved in an elaborately constructed conspiracy to impose a Socialist One World Government on the masses then I guss you'd have to believe scientists are capable of anything.

I'm just surprised we haven't heard about them sacrificing women and raping small children yet!
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #54 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:10pm
 
Some people just can't accept reality.
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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
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Reply #55 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:22pm
 
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Australia's universities condemn attacks on intellectual inquiry


6 June, 2011

The peak body representing Australia's 39 universities has called on political and community leaders to speak out in support of academic freedom.

The call follows reports from a number of institutions of threats against academics researching climate change.

According to Universities Australia Chair, Professor Glyn Davis AC, "Recent revelations of systematic and sustained threats to many climate change scientists in Australian universities are a fundamental attack upon intellectual inquiry".

"To disagree with evidence or conclusions from academic research is part of any robust debate. To seek to intimidate scientists who reach unwelcome findings is an assault on the ideal of a free exchange of ideas. It undermines our democratic society.

"University leaders state clearly and publicly their commitment to open debate. Academics should be able to contribute to public discussion without the risk of vendettas or email abuse campaigns.

"Serious public policy debate needs civil and informed discussion. Aggressive abuse and hate campaigns make no helpful contribution to a crucial policy debate. They simply seek to silence unwelcome voices.

"Fortunately, academics at Australian universities continue to refuse to be intimidated by the few who grasp neither the principles of academic freedom nor the urgent imperative of independent research", Professor Davis concluded.

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Brief: Academic freedom within universities

Universities differentiate themselves from other institutions and education providers through the discovery of new knowledge and insights, supported by evidence.

These findings can often challenge existing views, but to gain the benefit that comes from new knowledge and deeper understanding, universities are committed to free, open and critical expression across all aspects of human endeavour. Universities focus on teaching students how to think rather than what to think, allowing them to reach their own conclusions on matters of ideological debate.

Central to this role is the freedom of staff and students to teach, research, learn, and engage in public debate independently of any external interference or pressure.

In recent years there has been an increase in the number of individuals seeking to threaten the personal safety of members of the university community, rather than engage with the substance of their ideas. This behaviour not only threatens the safety of those targeted, it undermines the foundations of a free and democratic society.

Australia's universities are not-for-profit institutions working for the betterment of Australia's economy and society. Staff should not have to resort to requesting on-campus security escorts and upgrading their home security in order to undertake their work. Given the increase in the number and severity of personal threats, it is important that a systematic effort is made is investigate and combat them.
Australia's universities are a signatory to the International Association of Universities' policy document on academic freedom, Academic Freedom, University Autonomy and Social Responsibility (1998), which is based on the declarations made by UNESCO in 1950.

The Australian Government has itself further affirmed the importance of free intellectual inquiry in the provisions of the Higher Education Support Amendment (Demand Driven Funding System and Other Measures) Bill 2011. It is imperative that these provisions be endorsed by the Parliament.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #56 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:51pm
 
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So rather than just accepting the likelihood that the ANU is the subject of death threats and other abuse and dismissing it as the act of an extreme fringe that you completely disown and condemn in it's entirety, or something like that, you instead choose to accuse the ANU of lying and fraudulent behaviour (to what end you have decided in that fevered little mind of yours is ANYBODY'S guess)?  

Certainly an insight into the pathological mindset of denialism.

I suppose, once you believe that the worlds scientific community is involved in an elaborately constructed conspiracy to impose a Socialist One World Government on the masses then I guss you'd have to believe scientists are capable of anything.

I'm just surprised we haven't heard about them sacrificing women and raping small children yet!



Hmmm... then there is a police report about all these death threats that we can peruse..
Huh

In the meantime.... and still, the question remains...


"...Last time I checked... making threats to kill in the ACT was a criminal offence, thanks to section 30 of the Crimes Act (ACT) 1900, and punishable by a maximum of ten years imprisonment. A similar provision for threats to kill via a postal service or carriage service appears in the Schedule to the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act 1995, with a similar punishment.

TEN YEARS in clink? That's a serious offence. So if such threats have been made, why isn't it being fully investigated?..."


http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/06/death-threats-to-anu-scientists/






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Reply #57 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 9:54pm
 
Yes, you've said that already, and it isn't any more convincing on the fourth time than it was on the first time.
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Reply #58 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:36pm
 
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you've said that already, and it isn't any more convincing on the fourth time than it was on the first time.


Oh dear. The hysteria runs deep..
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...it as the act of an extreme fringe that you completely disown and condemn in it's entirety, or something like that, you instead choose to...



...instead of filling the thread with blather ah "choose to" ask the question -
"if such threats have been made, why isn't it being fully investigated?"

As a concerned citizin i, like other climate realists, am asking why the police have not been involved in investigating what we consider to be serious claims of death threats..
Huh


...or is it really just like them yank uny's eh..
Huh    "... from fraudulent hate crimes to rape fabrications, the college campus has itself become a victim of a growing parade of "wannabe" victims. Duke, Eastern New Mexico University, Northwestern University, San Francisco State, Guilford College, Miami University of Ohio, Iowa State and the University of Georgia are just the most recent campuses dealing with serious crime fabrications.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040407/news_lz1e7hender.html






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Reply #59 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:39pm
 
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JoNova continues her look-see...


"...This is sheer beef-it-up spin, making a mountain out of  a molehill, clutching at straws in desperation to eek out a PR victory from the dregs of a fading scam..."

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/06/to-a-climate-scientist-swearing-equals-a-death-...






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