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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #60 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:27am

astro_surf wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 9:48pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 9:34pm:

The irony is totally lost on you hasn't it astro

Grin

If volcanoes can cause such climate shifts then it shoots Bob Brown's argument out of the water that humans are the cause of climate change

cods posted a comment from a Professor of Geology the other day saying that the eruption in Iceland recently has blunt all the emission efforts for the last 5 years

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So how many volcanic eruptions have we had in the last 100 years?

Nooo, actually, the basic scientific facts are lost on you. VOLCANOES HAVE A SHORT TERM COOLING EFFECT, YOU smacking NUMPTY, VOLCANOES ONLY WARM OVER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

IAN PLIMER IS A KNOWN LIAR, PORTUGAL EMITTED MORE CO2 in 2010 THAN THE ICELAND VOLCANO EMITTED.

This is the kind of garbage that discredits your position. you call people LIARS whom you disagree with. that is not a scientific position. it is a ZEALOTS position, the kind HYSTERICS hold. Disagree with Pilmer if you want, but calling him a liar makes you a FOOL.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #61 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:30am

buzzanddidj wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 10:20pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:16pm:

creep wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 8:05pm:

Yes, the cold weather is due to global warming.
Perhaps it should be now known as global cooling, as afterall the scientific models can be manipulated just as easily to prove that the earth is cooling.

And, remember in summer when we had some hot days, the global warming nutters were shouting from the roof tops that the hot weather was due to global warming.
They just refused to accept that it was summer weather.

Well, now it is approaching winter weather so the cold weather MUST be due to global warming!!!

EXTREMES AT BOTH ENDS
I have never nor will never quote a single event as climate change.
What others do is their business.

I'll quote THIS one ?

Record high temperatures settle over Interior Alaska

May 27, 2011

FAIRBANKS — It’s Memorial Day weekend in Interior Alaska, so it must be time for
another record-breaking heat wave
.

One year after Fairbanks set a record high temperature of 82 degrees on May 27, 2010, temperatures soared to 85 degrees. The city wasn’t alone — Tanana, Bettles, Kaltag, Nenana, Eagle and Big Delta also saw record highs set last year replaced by new records Friday.

Fairbanks’ 85-degree mark was just five degrees shy of the all-time May record, set this date in 1947, and is the highest May temperature since May 11, 1995.

http://newsminer.com/bookmark/13479127

Climate change in a "nut-sack"

EXTREMES at EITHER end of the seasonal scale

And global AVERAGES this decade - will be HIGHER than that of the PREVIOUS one

As has been the pattern for the last FIVE

you missed the highlighted part which is the MOST IMPORTANT part. it states that is has been WARMER in 64 years ago.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #62 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:32am

skippy. wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:22am:

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Now do you know why we mock the IPCC?

No, but I know why many mock you, you believe opinion writers from the OZ who make sh it up and then delete it because their work is done once the morons have read it.

so let me just get it in print from you./ you DONT believe the UN predicted 50million climate refugees by 2010?

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming Reply #63 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:33am http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/world-still-waiting-for-50-million-climate-refugees-by-2010/story-fn59niix-1226042490227 SUCK IT UP ROO_GIRL.
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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #64 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:36am

skippy. wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:18am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:15am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 8:44am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 8:26am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 10:47pm:

astro_surf wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 10:14pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 9:53pm:

But we have a chance to halt at somewhere around 2 degree's instead of catastrophoric.

We're pretty much past that point now, our only hope is going to be 4 degrees and even if we can actually achieve that the future is going to be very grim indeed.

Yeah I was ever the optimist Cheesy

Perhaps Tony should go the miltary spending angle.
After all as water disappears and crops fail, low lying countries like Bangladesh become uninhaditable,refo's will be arriving by the ship not boat load.
Taxing our already arid environment, we'll need plenty of frigates and torpeado's to keep back the great unwashed Sad

Aren't we still waiting for the 50 million climate change refugees that were due last year?

Who said that?????
Link would be good, or did you just make it up?

www.theaustralian.com.au/...50-million-climate-refugees.../story-fn59niix- 1226042490227

They must still be coming eh.
Just like those melting Himalayan glaciers that are due to melt away by 2035.

That link does not work.Someone must have pulled it when they realised it was total bullsh it, and they didn't want to look like wankers spreading such lies. The OZ opinion writers sure are buggers.

I just copied it out from your post, and it works.
Try again skip.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #65 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:42am

skippy. wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:22am:

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Now do you know why we mock the IPCC?

No, but I know why many mock you, you believe opinion writers from the OZ who make sh it up and then delete it because their work is done once the morons have read it.

I am in total dispare I thought I was going to get a science lesson form thje best this morning...Hi Skip..didnt you read me this morning...

hey the weather/climate is okay here in downtown ACT this morning..a top of 15.. not sure who to credit that to though! I love a mystery

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Reply #66 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:44am

And you going into bat for Pilmer is stupid, your smarter than that.
It is well documented his papers are wrong & misleading.
I've pointed this out to you before why do you keep throwing a discredited name around?

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16 December 09
Ian Plimer exposed as a fraud
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From Tim Lambert's Deltoid blog:

"Ian Plimer's performance in his debate with Monbiot has to be seen to be believed.

Rather than admit to making any error at all, Plimer ducks, weaves, obfuscates, recites his favourite catch phrase, tries to change the subject and fabricates some more. When confronted with the fact that the USGS says (backed with scientific papers) that human activities emit 130 times as much CO2 as volcanoes, Plimer claims that the USGS doesn't count underwater volcanoes.

When told that the USGS specifically said that they do count undersea volcanoes, Plimer invented a story about how the nature of the rocks under the ocean proves that there must be unobserved emissions. Needless to say, this is not acceptable conduct for a scientist."

Check out the rest of Lambert's post here: Plimer exposed as a fraud

Here is our research database entry on Ian Plimer.

http://www.desmogblog.com/ian-plimer-exposed-fraud

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #67 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:49am

cods wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:42am:

skippy. wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:22am:

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Now do you know why we mock the IPCC?

No, but I know why many mock you, you believe opinion writers from the OZ who make sh it up and then delete it because their work is done once the morons have read it.

I am in total dispare I thought I was going to get a science lesson form thje best this morning...Hi Skip..didnt you read me this morning...

hey the weather/climate is okay here in downtown ACT this morning..a top of 15.. not sure who to credit that to though! I love a mystery

INSIGHT WAS WORTH WATCHING LAST NIGHT WITH THE CLIMATE SCIENTIST Wink

and the average people

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #68 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:55am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:44am:

And you going into bat for Pilmer is stupid, your smarter than that.
It is well documented his papers are wrong & misleading.
I've pointed this out to you before why do you keep throwing a discredited name around?

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16 December 09
Ian Plimer exposed as a fraud
Comment on this StoryEmail this story

From Tim Lambert's Deltoid blog:

"Ian Plimer's performance in his debate with Monbiot has to be seen to be believed.

Rather than admit to making any error at all, Plimer ducks, weaves, obfuscates, recites his favourite catch phrase, tries to change the subject and fabricates some more. When confronted with the fact that the USGS says (backed with scientific papers) that human activities emit 130 times as much CO2 as volcanoes, Plimer claims that the USGS doesn't count underwater volcanoes.

When told that the USGS specifically said that they do count undersea volcanoes, Plimer invented a story about how the nature of the rocks under the ocean proves that there must be unobserved emissions. Needless to say, this is not acceptable conduct for a scientist."

Check out the rest of Lambert's post here: Plimer exposed as a fraud

Here is our research database entry on Ian Plimer.

http://www.desmogblog.com/ian-plimer-exposed-fraud

your definition of 'fraud' is just as flaky. MISTAKES, even OBSTINATE mistakes do not make one a fraudster. it is these extreme deinfitions that muddy the water so much. this entire debate seeks to polarise everyone into two camps. mistakes become fraud. independent thought makes you a denier. scepticism is considered a sin. Isnt it about time we tolerated a diversity of opinion and embraced critical thinking and in fact CRITICISM itself? Pilmer is hardly a nobody with no reputation or qualifications.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #69 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:56am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:33am:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/world-still-waiting-for-50-million-climate-refugees-by-2010/story-fn59niix-1226042490227

SUCK IT UP ROO_GIRL.

Thanks chicken lipsforme, that link worked this time.Here it is

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A UN climate body has been forced to back away from damaging claims that the world could be flooded with up to 50 million "climate refugees" - by last year.

The predictions date back to 2005 when the UN University in Bonn in Germany argued for a new category of refugee to cover people fleeing environmental catastrophes such as sea-level rises, desert expansion and flooding. As recently as last week, a website affiliated with the UN Environment Program, which lists climate change as one of its six priorities, carried a map outlining where the refugees would come from, under the heading "Fifty million climate refugees by 2010".

Low-lying Pacific islands, such as the tiny nation of Tuvalu, have been considered potential sources of climate refugees as they are submerged by rising sea levels.

However, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees estimated the number of all refugees worldwide at the end of 2009 to be 15.2 million, and the total number of people subject to forced displacement - including asylum-seekers and people displaced within their own countries - at 43.3 million.

GRAPHIC: UN climate refugee map
The map has since been removed

OH LOL, the map has since been removed so we have to take the OZs word that they didn't make it up.LOL Grin

Oh the gullible ones, hey longy, the world is going to end tomorrow, I read it in the OZ, but their source is no longer available,LOL LOL Grin

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #70 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:12am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:55am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:44am:

And you going into bat for Pilmer is stupid, your smarter than that.
It is well documented his papers are wrong & misleading.
I've pointed this out to you before why do you keep throwing a discredited name around?

Quote:

16 December 09
Ian Plimer exposed as a fraud
Comment on this StoryEmail this story

From Tim Lambert's Deltoid blog:

"Ian Plimer's performance in his debate with Monbiot has to be seen to be believed.

Rather than admit to making any error at all, Plimer ducks, weaves, obfuscates, recites his favourite catch phrase, tries to change the subject and fabricates some more. When confronted with the fact that the USGS says (backed with scientific papers) that human activities emit 130 times as much CO2 as volcanoes, Plimer claims that the USGS doesn't count underwater volcanoes.

When told that the USGS specifically said that they do count undersea volcanoes, Plimer invented a story about how the nature of the rocks under the ocean proves that there must be unobserved emissions. Needless to say, this is not acceptable conduct for a scientist."

Check out the rest of Lambert's post here: Plimer exposed as a fraud

Here is our research database entry on Ian Plimer.

http://www.desmogblog.com/ian-plimer-exposed-fraud

your definition of 'fraud' is just as flaky. MISTAKES, even OBSTINATE mistakes do not make one a fraudster. it is these extreme deinfitions that muddy the water so much. this entire debate seeks to polarise everyone into two camps. mistakes become fraud. independent thought makes you a denier. scepticism is considered a sin. Isnt it about time we tolerated a diversity of opinion and embraced critical thinking and in fact CRITICISM itself? Pilmer is hardly a nobody with no reputation or qualifications.

So we accept that Pilmer made honest mistakes
Yet we villify the IPCC when they make 1

this entire debate seeks to polarise everyone into two camps. mistakes become fraud. independent thought makes you a denier. scepticism is considered a sin. Isnt it about time we tolerated a diversity of opinion and embraced critical thinking and in fact CRITICISM itself?

That was worth repeating with some colour

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #71 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:26am

skippy. wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 9:33am:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/world-still-waiting-for-50-million-climate-refugees-by-2010/story-fn59niix-1226042490227

SUCK IT UP ROO_GIRL.

Thanks chicken lipsforme, that link worked this time.Here it is

Quote:

A UN climate body has been forced to back away from damaging claims that the world could be flooded with up to 50 million "climate refugees" - by last year.

The predictions date back to 2005 when the UN University in Bonn in Germany argued for a new category of refugee to cover people fleeing environmental catastrophes such as sea-level rises, desert expansion and flooding. As recently as last week, a website affiliated with the UN Environment Program, which lists climate change as one of its six priorities, carried a map outlining where the refugees would come from, under the heading "Fifty million climate refugees by 2010".

Low-lying Pacific islands, such as the tiny nation of Tuvalu, have been considered potential sources of climate refugees as they are submerged by rising sea levels.

However, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees estimated the number of all refugees worldwide at the end of 2009 to be 15.2 million, and the total number of people subject to forced displacement - including asylum-seekers and people displaced within their own countries - at 43.3 million.

GRAPHIC: UN climate refugee map
The map has since been removed

OH LOL, the map has since been removed so we have to take the OZs word that they didn't make it up.LOL Grin

Oh the gullible ones, hey longy, the world is going to end tomorrow, I read it in the OZ, but their source is no longer available,LOL LOL Grin

you truly are an idiot. the UN said themselves that they removed the map - not that iot didnt exist. and why did they remove it? because it was an embarrassment; an example of a hysterical and unfulfilled prophecy.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #72 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:30am

astro_surf wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 9:45pm:

Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 9:31pm:

[quote]The causes of ice ages are not fully understood for both the large-scale ice age periods and the smaller ebb and flow of glacial–interglacial periods within an ice age.

Massive fail.

Quote:

You probably understand how ice ages come and go. Please explain. And don't forget to correct the Wiki.

If you'd read the quote you selectively cited above BEYOND the bit that appeared to confirm your existing biases, you would NEED me to explain the Milankovitch Cycle to you! Grin

That Wiki quote, following the "causes of ice ages are not fully understood" contains EIGHT factors:
1 atmospheric composition (the concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, water vapour)
2 changes in the Earth's orbit around the Sun
3 the motion of tectonic plates
4 wind and ocean currents;
5 variations in solar output;
6 the orbital dynamics of the Earth-Moon system;
7 impact of relatively large meteorites,
8 volcanism

How they work together, how they influence each other, how they balance, reinforce and counter each other is NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD. Not by you, not by anybody.

For this very reason - how it all comes together is not well undesrtood - mongs like you focus on the one element that you have a tentative grasp of and you elevate it to the status of the one component that rules them all, so to speak.

There are some pretty big forces in that list of 8 but the right-on nerks are obsessed by the smallest of them all because a third to a half of that smallest of components can be pinned on humans, especially the ones living in highly developed Western service economies.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #73 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:32am

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said the original figure of 50 million "climate refugees" by 2010 derived from questionable calculations by the Oxford University academic Norman Myers.

The map was derived from ONE ACADEMIC, moron.Thats like saying EVERYTHING Pilmer writes is gospel, only a retard would believe that, oh thats right, you believe everything he writes.

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Re: Coldest May on record due to global warming
Reply #74 - Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:04am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:12am:

So we accept that Pilmer made honest mistakes
Yet we villify the IPCC when they make 1

People are much less forgiving about mistakes if you want to impose change on everyone but your predictions never seem to materialise. Expect massive scrutiny and resistance and ridicule if you are proven wrong in any detail.
But if you are wrong about next week's lotto numbers, you're safe, nobody will give a sh!t.

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