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NATO terrorist bombings push Karzai to the edge
May 30th, 2011 at 6:16am
 
Is Karzai finally going to turn against his child murdering benefactors?


Afghan leader Karzai issues 'last warning' to Nato


The BBC's Quentin Sommerville said villagers brought their dead children to the governor's office shouting: "See they aren't Taliban"

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has forcefully condemned the killing of 14 civilians in the south-west of the country in a suspected Nato air strike.

Mr Karzai said his government had repeatedly asked the US to stop raids which end up killing Afghan civilians and this was his "last warning".

A Nato spokesman said a team had been sent to Helmand province to investigate the attack carried out on Saturday.

Afghan officials say all those killed were women and children.

The strike took place in Nawzad district after a US Marines base came under attack.

The air strike, targeted at insurgents, struck two civilian homes, killing two women and 12 children, reports say.

"The president called this incident a great mistake and the murdering of Afghanistan's children and women, and on behalf of the Afghan people gives his last warning to the US troops and US officials in this regard," his office said.

The White House said it shared Mr Karzai's concerns and took them "very seriously".

A group from Sera Cala village travelled to Helmand's capital, Lashkar Gah, bringing with them the bodies of eight dead children, some as young as two years old, says the BBC's Quentin Sommerville in Kabul.

"See, they aren't Taliban," they chanted as the carried the corpses to local journalists and the governor's mansion.

While insurgents are responsible for most civilian deaths in Afghanistan, the killings of Afghans by foreign soldiers is a source of deepening anger, our correspondent adds.

President Hamid Karzai has criticised Nato for not doing enough to prevent such deaths, especially during "night raids" and has called on the country's ministry of defence to stop what he described as "arbitrary" operations by foreign forces.
Daud funeral

In the country's north, security was extremely tight for the funeral of Gen Mohammad Daud Daud, the police commander for northern Afghanistan who was killed in a suicide bomb attack on the provincial governor's compound in Takhar province on Saturday.
Former Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah (R) sits near the coffin of slain police chief, Gen Mohammed Daud Daud Gen Daud was buried on Sunday after being killed in a suicide bomb attack on Saturday

He was one of at least six people killed in the attack, which was claimed by the Taliban.

The location of the funeral itself was not announced in advance for security reasons.

Shopkeepers closed their doors and hung pictures of the general as he was buried, and mourners waved black flags in his honour, Reuters news agency reports.

The governor of Takhar province, Abdul Jabar Taqwa, dismissed allegations that "rogue" elements were involved in Saturday's attack in Taloqan.

He said intelligence officials knew about the mission and even had the telephone number of the suicide bomber several days before his attack.

"We sadly failed to catch him before he could carry out his mission," the governor, whose face and hand were burnt in the attack, told reporters in Taloqan on Sunday.

Source: BBC
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Reply #1 - May 30th, 2011 at 8:29am
 
ALL SUCH DEATHS OF MOSLEMS, ARE JUSTIFIED, BY ISLAM.


And contemporary ISLAMIC leaders today have confirmed, that it is glorious and welcomed by moslems, when they are killed in Allah's cause...


"We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two."
Osama bin Laden, November 2001



"We're talking about people [moslems] who like to die, the way, you ['unbelievers'] like to live."
Abu Izzadeen - UK cleric, July, 2006



"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, and one of ISLAM's most influential thinkers.




Moslems who die at the hands of moslems or at the hands of non-moslems, are merely fulfilling Allah's will for them.

THAT, is what ISLAM says.

The Hadith;

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "...I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072





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"Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions."

Psalms 106



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Reply #2 - May 30th, 2011 at 2:54pm
 
Yadda, I have no Bible quote to offer here, but rest assured that your callous, theocratic indifference to the suffering and death of civilians is not a Christian response, and nor is it a Muslim response.

Presumably, you would not offer such a response if your own family was killed, and I can't think of anyone else who would either.

Your zeal appears to have cut you off from empathy with others. This is not spiritual or Christ-like, but the mere celebration of death for the sake of rhetoric alone.

Your brand of text-driven religious ideology appears in many cases to have removed you from life. If this is what you seek, you will find what you seek.

If, instead, you chose to engage and apply the texts you quoted, you would come to understand what they're actually saying. You would know that death is not some concept in a book.

I know you have it in you to write engaging, honest and heartfelt posts that resonate.

I would love to read them.
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Reply #3 - May 30th, 2011 at 3:22pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 2:54pm:
Yadda, I have no Bible quote to offer here, but rest assured that your callous, theocratic indifference to the suffering and death of civilians is not a Christian response, and nor is it a Muslim response.

Presumably, you would not offer such a response if your own family was killed, and I can't think of anyone else who would either.

Your zeal appears to have cut you off from empathy with others. This is not spiritual or Christ-like, but the mere celebration of death for the sake of rhetoric alone.

Your brand of text-driven religious ideology appears in many cases to have removed you from life. If this is what you seek, you will find what you seek.

If, instead, you chose to engage and apply the texts you quoted, you would come to understand what they're actually saying. You would know that death is not some concept in a book.

I know you have it in you to write engaging, honest and heartfelt posts that resonate.

I would love to read them.







Wow!

At last, 'Karnal', 'unmasked'!

The glib-less Karnal.

I never thought that i would see such day, on OzPol.




But, can Karnal be honest too ???


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2011 at 3:40pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 6:16am:
Is Karzai finally going to turn against his child murdering benefactors?


Afghan leader Karzai issues 'last warning' to Nato


The BBC's Quentin Sommerville said villagers brought their dead children to the governor's office shouting: "See they aren't Taliban"

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has forcefully condemned the killing of 14 civilians in the south-west of the country in a suspected Nato air strike.

Mr Karzai said his government had repeatedly asked the US to stop raids which end up killing Afghan civilians and this was his "last warning".

A Nato spokesman said a team had been sent to Helmand province to investigate the attack carried out on Saturday.

Afghan officials say all those killed were women and children.

The strike took place in Nawzad district after a US Marines base came under attack.

The air strike, targeted at insurgents, struck two civilian homes, killing two women and 12 children, reports say.

"The president called this incident a great mistake and the murdering of Afghanistan's children and women, and on behalf of the Afghan people gives his last warning to the US troops and US officials in this regard," his office said.

The White House said it shared Mr Karzai's concerns and took them "very seriously".

A group from Sera Cala village travelled to Helmand's capital, Lashkar Gah, bringing with them the bodies of eight dead children, some as young as two years old, says the BBC's Quentin Sommerville in Kabul.

"See, they aren't Taliban," they chanted as the carried the corpses to local journalists and the governor's mansion.

While insurgents are responsible for most civilian deaths in Afghanistan, the killings of Afghans by foreign soldiers is a source of deepening anger, our correspondent adds.

President Hamid Karzai has criticised Nato for not doing enough to prevent such deaths, especially during "night raids" and has called on the country's ministry of defence to stop what he described as "arbitrary" operations by foreign forces.
Daud funeral

In the country's north, security was extremely tight for the funeral of Gen Mohammad Daud Daud, the police commander for northern Afghanistan who was killed in a suicide bomb attack on the provincial governor's compound in Takhar province on Saturday.
Former Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah (R) sits near the coffin of slain police chief, Gen Mohammed Daud Daud Gen Daud was buried on Sunday after being killed in a suicide bomb attack on Saturday

He was one of at least six people killed in the attack, which was claimed by the Taliban.

The location of the funeral itself was not announced in advance for security reasons.

Shopkeepers closed their doors and hung pictures of the general as he was buried, and mourners waved black flags in his honour, Reuters news agency reports.

The governor of Takhar province, Abdul Jabar Taqwa, dismissed allegations that "rogue" elements were involved in Saturday's attack in Taloqan.

He said intelligence officials knew about the mission and even had the telephone number of the suicide bomber several days before his attack.

"We sadly failed to catch him before he could carry out his mission," the governor, whose face and hand were burnt in the attack, told reporters in Taloqan on Sunday.

Source: BBC


Says it all really. Civilian deaths are only bad if caused by western forces. Is Karzai delivering the same strongly worded ultimatum to the insurgents?
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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2011 at 4:26pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 2:54pm:
Yadda, I have no Bible quote to offer here, but rest assured that your callous,
theocratic indifference to the suffering and death of civilians is not a Christian response
, and nor is it a Muslim response.






I am a 'karmic' Christian, because that is what the word of God reveals to me, the form of reality i should expect, in the 'hereafter'.

And i believe it, in it.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.


I am not faultless, and will not escape the judgement of my God.

But i seek, and hope, for his mercy.




Karnal wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

Presumably, you would not offer such a response if your own family was killed, and I can't think of anyone else who would either.


Your zeal appears to have cut you off from empathy with others. This is not spiritual or Christ-like, but the mere celebration of death for the sake of rhetoric alone.

Your brand of text-driven religious ideology appears in many cases to have removed you from life. If this is what you seek, you will find what you seek.


If, instead, you chose to engage and apply the texts you quoted, you would come to understand what they're actually saying. You would know that death is not some concept in a book.

I know you have it in you to write engaging, honest and heartfelt posts that resonate.

I would love to read them.




You do not know me.

And you do not know what i have seen in this life.





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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2011 at 4:55pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 4:26pm:
You do not know me.

And you do not know what i have seen in this life.


Of course not. But I've read enough to understand that your reduction of a thread on NATO strikes against Afghani villagers to the despicable evils of Islam is simplistic, ridicuous and callous.

As if victims of American bombing in Vietnam could be blamed for their Buddhism or alledged communism.

As if your quoted speakers - Osama bin Laden and Abu Izzadeen are even Afghani, or were even talking about Afghanistan.

I don't need to know what you have seen in life to examine your argument, which is always the same. I don't blame you for ridiculous, generic posts about the same thing. I blame your posts.

If you had bowel problems, you'd find some way of blaming it on Muslims. However, if you know anything about Karzai, it would be deeply appreciated if you could share it.

Have you heard? Karzai has threatened to join the Taliban.

Now that's news.
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U DONT KNOW ME
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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:18pm
 
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Mr Karzai said his government had repeatedly asked the US to stop raids which end up killing Afghan civilians and this was his "last warning".


And Karzai wouldn't last 5 minutes in power without the Yanks.

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Reply #9 - May 31st, 2011 at 7:30am
 
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
The reality is the terrorists strategy of skulking in homes filled with women and children hoping that the forces of retribution will let them be is a false hope.
It didn't work in Gaza, and it won't work in Afghanistan.
It's a dirty war alright.
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Cliff Richard wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 5:42pm:
U DONT KNOW ME


Oh, we know you, CR. It's music I've found, 'cause I'm wired for sound. Remember?
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chicken_lipsforme wrote on May 31st, 2011 at 7:30am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.


Exactly. And Australia and the US are over in Afghanistan making beautiful omelettes for all the world to eat.

You probably think September 11 was an omelette too. Delicious!
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Karnal wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 4:55pm:
Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 4:26pm:
You do not know me.

And you do not know what i have seen in this life.


Of course not. But I've read enough to understand that your reduction of a thread on NATO strikes against Afghani villagers to the despicable evils of Islam is simplistic, ridicuous and callous.

As if victims of American bombing in Vietnam could be blamed for their Buddhism or alledged communism.





Karnal,

Please enlighten us all.......

In what sense, is Buddhism;
The Four Noble Truths
   1. TO LIVE, IS TO SUFFER
   2. Suffering arises from attachment to desires
   3. Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases
   4. Freedom from suffering is possible by practicing the Eightfold Path



comparable to ISLAM....

'Unbelievers' are filth, they are the sh!t under your shoes, and they are the allies of SATAN.
So kill them for little, powerless, Allah, and as a reward, i will send you to a bordello in the 'herafter', Allah's paradise, where you can deflower virgins for the rest of eternity. HONEST!


?????

Come on Karnal, tell us all;

In what sense, is Buddhism,
comparable to ISLAM ????





Karnal wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 4:55pm:

If you had bowel problems, you'd find some way of blaming it on Muslims.




I wish!







Karnal wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 4:55pm:

However, if you know anything about Karzai, it would be deeply appreciated if you could share it.

Have you heard? Karzai has threatened to join the Taliban.

Now that's news.






Karzai is just another lying, corrupt, deceitful, moslem creep,
.....who is busy fooling his gullible infidel 'friends'.

What's new ????

He is a moslem.


Google;
taqiyya - lying to unbelievers




Google;
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"






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Karnal,

You are a person with some intelligence.

But how will you fare, in the 'hereafter', if you continue to pretend that it is so, so, difficult to discern between good, and, evil ???

What will be your ultimate fate Karnal, if you choose to continue to refuse to choose the good ???






Karnal,

I share two Koran verses with you,

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27, 28




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"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:..."

Ezekiel 33:11



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Reply #13 - May 31st, 2011 at 10:49am
 
Yadda wrote on May 31st, 2011 at 10:23am:

'Unbelievers' are filth, they are the sh!t under your shoes, and they are the allies of SATAN.
So kill them for little, powerless, Allah, and as a reward, i will send you to a bordello in the 'herafter', Allah's paradise, where you can deflower virgins for the rest of eternity. HONEST!






Karnal,

Allah is a powerless God.




Karnal,

If Allah is the creator, and if Allah is God, how can men hurt Allah ???


Within ISLAM's 'religious' texts, it is also here [below], recorded how Mohammad 'enlisted' a fellow moslem, to perform an ISLAMIC 'religious' duty....
.....the murder of a critic of ISLAM.

In the following Hadith, is described, how Mohammad himself [the founder and inventor of ISLAM] secures the political assassination of an enemy of Allah, the powerless God.....



"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"....."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...




Karnal,

Please tell me,
How can a man, hurt Allah, if Allah is really God ???



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Reply #14 - May 31st, 2011 at 5:36pm
 
My frien, Karzai is the US-installed and democratikally-elected president of the People's Republik of Afghanistan. He rules by the very hand of Gud.

Men hurt Allah by being mean to His friends. Do not commit blasphemy, my friend, praise Him, praise Him. May you live by the prophet's every word, insh'allah, and let the sun shine on all.

Karzai, by the way, enjoys his omelettes yolk-free. The Doktor has him on a low-cholesterol diet.

"Hey! I ordered egg white!"

"Is powdered egg, Master. Very good. From Amerikan Army - like in M*A*S*H."

"Kabesh! Out of my sight!"
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