Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 10:59pm:


You truely are as useful as tits on a bull!

In the post immediately above your last post, was the following, from me -

perceptions_now wrote on May 29^th, 2011 at 10:00pm:


I have also previously stated on many ocassions that neither a Carbon Tax or an ETS in Australia, will achieve anything, other than raising tax revenue & making money for insiders.

No, neither a Carbon Tax, nor an ETS will reduce Australian or Global Temperatures!  

Now we have dispensed with what won't work, we should look at what would work, which is legislated annual GHG reduction targets, backed by Tax Credits for achieving those targets & Tax Debits for not achieving the targets!

But even that won't work, if it only happens in Australia, it needs to be pretty much Global or at least 80% of the major Economies, whether they call themselves developed or developing countries and China, the USA & India would have to be included.


But, you already knew all of that, didn't you, because we've been on the same roundabout before and said the same things.

And, you do that purely to try to not answer the real questions, which are -

If you are wrong and proper Global mitigation DOES NOT proceed, then it is quite likely that those 7 Billion humans you care so much about (NOT), will quite likely die!

I've made my choice! 
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if you believe that then you must also believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden thats all I can say..

humans.. whether you believe we started from algae.. an animal that crawled out of the water.dereived from monkeys..born out of the garden of eden...


we came from somewhere.... we, it, survived through millions of years of climate change... at one point for millions of years thats all that happened  CLIMATE CHANGE!... YES THE CLIMATE CHANGED!... my god who would have thought it.

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 7:57am:

You wouldnt be the only one, but the debate has to be had because you know how far the scaremongering will get without the debate. With the debate still going, we have slowly found them out in their scaremongering.

You will have to put yourself out of the way and enjoy peace and let the debate pass you by because the debate is going to continue for many years in the future.

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 7:54am:


A few observations -
1) Yes, we (humans) survived, by the "hair of our chinny chin chin".
Why? Because during the last Ice Age, we (humans) dwindled down to maybe a couple of thousand, before things (Climate) finally looked up and we survived!

Also, a small correction, we (humans) have only been around, in our current format (homo sapiens) for about 200,000 years, not millions.

2) No kidding, did you go to special school, to learn that one?
Actually, from our (human) perspective, nothing at all happened for well over 4.5 BILLION years, because we weren't here.
Also, I wasn't aware that one point, could last for millions of years?


Btw, you still haven't answered the question -


And, nor has Maqqa! Your both the same, like that, avoiding the crucial questions?

perceptions_now wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 1:25pm:


All of which reminds me of a story?





Once upon a time there were three little pigs and the time came for them to leave home and seek their fortunes.

Before they left, their mother told them " Whatever you do , do it the best that you can because that's the way to get along in the world.

The first little pig built his house out of straw because it was the easiest thing to do.

The second little pig built his house out of sticks. This was a little bit stronger than a straw house.

The third little pig built his house out of bricks.

One night the big bad wolf, who dearly loved to eat fat little piggies, came along and saw the first little pig in his house of straw. He said "Let me in, Let me in, little pig or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house in!"

"Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin", said the little pig.

But of course the wolf did blow the house in and ate the first little pig.

The wolf then came to the house of sticks.

"Let me in ,Let me in little pig or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house in" "Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin", said the little pig. But the wolf blew that house in too, and ate the second little pig.


The wolf then came to the house of bricks.

" Let me in , let me in" cried the wolf

"Or I'll huff and I'll puff till I blow your house in"

"Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin" said the pigs.

Well, the wolf huffed and puffed but he could not blow down that brick house.

But the wolf was a sly old wolf and he climbed up on the roof to look for a way into the brick house.

The little pig saw the wolf climb up on the roof and lit a roaring fire in the fireplace and placed on it a large kettle of water.

When the wolf finally found the hole in the chimney he crawled down and KERSPLASH right into that kettle of water and that was the end of his troubles with the big bad wolf.

The next day the little pig invited his mother over . She said "You see it is just as I told you. The way to get along in the world is to do things as well as you can." Fortunately for that little pig, he learned that lesson. And he just lived happily ever after!

Link -
http://www.shol.com/agita/pigs.htm
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A few observations -
1) Of course the 3 little piglets, were all Capitalist Pigs, in training?
2) The 2 fat little Capitalist Pigs, who didn't think  far enough ahead, got eaten, by the Big Bad Wolf, also known as C. C Wolf (Climate Change Wolf)

perceptions_now wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

We will be doing nothing of the sorts.

Humans contribute 3% of CO2 to a dynamic world with an environment that contributes 97%. NOT STATIC.

You want to what. Make it humans contribute 2.5% of CO2.

Let me tell you a couple of things. 3% is a number more likely to be used for a plus or minus 3% of our figures could be incorrect or a plus or minus 3% could be a fluctuation, but 3% is never ever used as THE contributing factor to anything as the 97% is the contributing factor.

So the useless non-contributing factor of 3% is to be turned into 2.5% and ruin countries economics for what?

The figure by the way is to go up from 3% slightly because of China, India ect

The carbon tax is BS end of story.

perceptions_now wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 2:13pm:


Confucious say "Many hands make light work"..
And our skills at insulation and heating are a lot better..
Humans adapt, it's possibly our greatest talent...On top of that, there's no guarantee that changing to renewables will stop whats happening anyway...

As harsh as it sounds, if the species survives, it wouldn't matter if we lose a few, or a medium amount of people to changing conditions...

progressiveslol wrote on May 30^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:


As I have repeatedly stated -
A Carbon Tax or ETS will not fix, what needs to be fixed!

Now we have dispensed with what won't work, we should look at what would work, which is legislated annual GHG reduction targets, backed by Tax Credits for achieving those targets & Tax Debits for not achieving the targets!

And, its all in OR all out! 

You & others, are effectively putting Billions of lives at risk, because you say the risk is small.

But, we know that small amounts can be lethal or can create wonders.

What I am saying is that we take a little from today, to try to protect future generations against an unmitigated disaster.

However, we have a history of not taking proper measures, as is shown by Peak Oil & the current Baby Boomer Bust, so I would suggest the future, may not be feeling too bright.