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Re: The Politics & Reality of Climate Change
Reply #15 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:30pm
 
creep wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 7:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 4:07pm:
Melting of the Arctic 'will accelerate climate change within 20 years'

An irreversible climate "tipping point" could occur within the next 20 years as a result of the release of huge quantities of organic carbon locked away as frozen plant matter in the vast permafrost region of the Arctic, scientists have found.

Billions of tons of frozen leaves and roots that have lain undisturbed for thousands of years in the permanently frozen ground of the northern hemisphere are thawing out, with potentially catastrophic implications for climate change, the researchers said.

A study into the speed at which the permafrost is melting suggests that the tipping point will occur between 2020 and 2030 and will mark the point at which the Arctic turns from being a net "sink" for carbon dioxide into an overall source that will accelerate global warming, they said.

The study is the first global investigation of what will happen in a warmer world to the huge amounts of frozen plant matter that has remained undegraded in the soil since it was incorporated into the permafrost about 30,000 years ago.

It also found that by 2200 about two-thirds of the Earth's permafrost will have melted, releasing an estimated 190 billion tons of carbon dioxide and methane into the air – about half of all the fossil fuel emissions of greenhouse gases since the start of the industrial revolution.

"Our research shows that the release of carbon from permafrost will result in an irreversible climate tipping point in only 20 years... Once the frozen carbon thaws out and decays, there is no way to put it back into the permafrost," Dr Schaefer said.

The Arctic has experienced some of the greatest climatic changes in the world over recent decades. Summer sea ice has melted back to record minimums, average temperatures have increased dramatically, and scientists have documented significant melting of the underground permafrost, from Alaska to eastern Siberia.

"All our emission reduction strategies are designed to hit a target atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration corresponding to a target climate. If we do not account for carbon released from thawing permafrost, we will overshoot this target concentration and end up with a warmer climate than we want," Dr Schaefer said.

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20 years hey, what will our Pollies do?

Nothing, it's outside their election cycle!




You do realise that the Antartic has increased in size, and that the Antartic is 2-3 times the size of the Arctic.


And also that previously the global warmists solar models being used led to an increase in the ocean's evaporation and then claimed that global warming was causing the Arctic to increase in size!

But then the global warmists found that the Arctic was actuallly doing exactly the opposite of what the globalwarmists were predicting and claiming, and that the Arctic was decreasing in size.
So then the global warmists changed their model and then started the claim that global warming was causing the Arctic to shrink.




Ahhhh, the science of AGW, these are the days of our lives.
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Reply #16 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:33pm
 
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Spot on there stryder.



Yes, spot on, but the hardest thing for these leftists and ABBOTT HATERS to digest,  Grin Grin Grin

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Re: The Politics & Reality of Climate Change
Reply #17 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:52pm
 
stryder wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 7:12pm:
Grin Grin How amusing, Perceptions decides TO JOIN IN THE SPIRIT OF SOVIET LIKE PROPAGANDA TO HELP SELL FOR THE LABOR PARTY THIS RIDICULOUS CARBON TAX WHICH HAS NO CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL MAKE ANY SORT OF DENT TO THE TEMPERATURES OR ASTRONOMICALLY CHANGE THE CLIMATE.

THERE IS NO CERTAINTY IT WILL WORK NOR THAT WE CAN EVEN MEASURE ANY PROGRESS.


Is there an exam to get into this club of yours?

I've lost count of how many times I've said this, so just look at the following link -

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1306662609/29#29

And, I repeat the same question -
What are the relative costs to humanity, of doing something or doing nothing?

In other words, what are the costs, benefits & losses involved, in being correct &/or incorrect, if we move on my senario's, versus moving on the assumption that there is no problem?


It would also bear repeating the following, earlier post -

The Three Little Pigs


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Once upon a time there were three little pigs and the time came for them to leave home and seek their fortunes.

Before they left, their mother told them " Whatever you do , do it the best that you can because that's the way to get along in the world.

The first little pig built his house out of straw because it was the easiest thing to do.

The second little pig built his house out of sticks. This was a little bit stronger than a straw house.

The third little pig built his house out of bricks.

One night the big bad wolf, who dearly loved to eat fat little piggies, came along and saw the first little pig in his house of straw. He said "Let me in, Let me in, little pig or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house in!"

"Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin", said the little pig.


But of course the wolf did blow the house in and ate the first little pig.

The wolf then came to the house of sticks.

"Let me in ,Let me in little pig or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house in" "Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin", said the little pig. But the wolf blew that house in too, and ate the second little pig.


The wolf then came to the house of bricks.

" Let me in , let me in" cried the wolf

"Or I'll huff and I'll puff till I blow your house in"

"Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin" said the pigs.

Well, the wolf huffed and puffed but he could not blow down that brick house.


But the wolf was a sly old wolf and he climbed up on the roof to look for a way into the brick house.


...

The little pig saw the wolf climb up on the roof and lit a roaring fire in the fireplace and placed on it a large kettle of water.

When the wolf finally found the hole in the chimney he crawled down and KERSPLASH right into that kettle of water and that was the end of his troubles with the big bad wolf.


The next day the little pig invited his mother over . She said "You see it is just as I told you. The way to get along in the world is to do things as well as you can." Fortunately for that little pig, he learned that lesson. And he just lived happily ever after!

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A few observations -
1) Of course the 3 little piglets, were all Capitalist Pigs, in training?
2) The 2 fat little Capitalist Pigs, who didn't think  far enough ahead, got eaten, by the Big Bad Wolf, also known as C. C Wolf (Climate Change Wolf)

3) The Big Bad Wolf, like any self respecting Crook, will always look for the weakest link!
4) The third little Piggy knew there was someting beyond Capitalism Mk1 and that the wolves would always be knocking at his door.

So, this Piggy took the best advice available, at the time and built in brick (even though it cost a little more), to mitigate against the risks of the Wolf getting into the house and when the wolf went for the chimney, the Piggy went for back up plan 1 and fried that Climate Change Wolf in his own juices!


The moral of the story is, spend a little extra, mitigate against the likely risks, but have a back up plan and you can live happily ever after and avoid the Big Bad Climate Change Wolf!


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Reply #18 - May 30th, 2011 at 8:01pm
 
nah nah nah: THE REAL MORAL OF THE STORY IS I THOUGHT MARKETS WERE MEANT TO BE ROBUST!!!

well, it dovetails with your story then...........

  Cool Cool Cool
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Reply #19 - May 30th, 2011 at 8:30pm
 


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Russia, Japan and Canada confirmed at the weekend G8 meeting they would not join a second round of carbon cuts if developing countries are not being required to make their own emissions reductions.

The Minerals Council said Australia and the European Union were now the only major developed nations or groups of nations committed to an extension of the protocol after its expiry at the end of next year.

“Confirmation of the likely demise of the Kyoto Protocol means that Australia will be introducing a new $11 billion carbon tax on the economy in the absence of a binding global agreement to reduce emissions,” the Minerals Council said in a statement.

But Julia Gillard denied Australia was acting ahead of the rest of the world..............


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-orders-carbon-tax...
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Reply #20 - May 30th, 2011 at 8:41pm
 
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The moral of the story is, spend a little extra, mitigate against the likely risks, but have a back up plan and you can live happily ever after and avoid the Big Bad Climate Change Wolf!



LIKELY, LIKELY ?

WHAT ??? Grin

YOU SOUND AS THOUGH YOUR NOT 100%  CERTAIN OF THE WHOLE CLIMATE CHANGE/GLOBAL WARMING ARGUEMENT YOURSELF, PERCEPTIONS

SO YOUR HAPPY TO SEE TAXPAYERS MONEY SUCKED IN THE WIND OVER SOMETHING THAT MAY LIKELY BE TO YOU ???

I never realised how stupid one HAS TO BE have to be to swallow that crap.
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Re: The Politics & Reality of Climate Change
Reply #21 - May 30th, 2011 at 8:44pm
 
stryder wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 8:41pm:
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The moral of the story is, spend a little extra, mitigate against the likely risks, but have a back up plan and you can live happily ever after and avoid the Big Bad Climate Change Wolf!



LIKELY, LIKELY

WHAT ??? Grin

YOU SOUND AS THOUGH YOUR NOT 100%  CERTAIN OF THE WHOLE CLIMATE CHANGE/GLOBAL WARMING ARGUEMENT YOURSELF, PERCEPTIONS

SO YOUR HAPPY TO SEE TAXPAYERS MONEY SUCKED IN THE WIND OVER SOMETHING THAT MAY LIKELY BE TO YOU ???

I never realised how stupid one HAS TO BE have to be to swallow that crap.



lol
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