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The Politics & Reality of Climate Change
May 28th, 2011 at 11:48am
 
Challenge for our generation

BY DAVID TEATHER (Emeritus Professor worked in universities in Australia, Britain, China and New Zealand)


Many native-born Australians, and those born overseas who migrated to Australia in search of a better life, did not anticipate that our expectations might be prematurely curtailed by population growth, peak oil or climate change. A decade ago, when we celebrated the new millennium, such ideas were hardly on the radar.

Not on our radar, perhaps, but not entirely unexpected. A little thought would have told us that exponential growth in our use of natural resources is bound to end when those resources run out, or if damaging by-products compromise our environment.

In 1972 the Club of Rome's report, The Limits to Growth, warned of just such a scenario, and from 1990 onwards the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change drew attention to the risks of climate change.

Governments and corporations were well aware of these assessments. Some, including the Europeans, took notice. But successive Australian governments, under Hawke, Keating and Howard, took no heed: ''She'll be right''.

In the middle ages, natural catastrophes, plagues and pestilence were acts of God. Now we turn to science to explain the natural world. Scientists continue to unravel the complexities of climate change, and have revealed grave risks. There's no time to lose in responding to what we already know.

Johan Rockstrom and 25 other scientists from around the world have begun to define what they call planetary boundaries, or limits within which humanity can operate safely. Transgressing, or going beyond, one or more of these limits may be damaging or even catastrophic due to the risk of triggering worldwide, abrupt environmental change.

These limits for human activity relate not only to the climate, but also to the acidification of the world's oceans, levels of ozone in the upper atmosphere, the biogeochemical nitrogen and phosphorus cycles, the use of global freshwater, change of land use, loss of biological diversity, chemical pollution, and atmospheric aerosols.

The increasing scale of human activity, which makes it necessary to identify limits beyond which it would be unsafe to go, results from the burgeoning human population (up from three to seven billion since 1960), and the increasing per capita use of natural resources.

Kevin Rudd was spot on when he called climate change ''the greatest moral, economic and environmental challenge of our generation''.


China and the US are the world's largest emitters of greenhouse gases, but China's new Five Year Plan (2011-15) makes ''low carbon development'' a national priority for the first time. China will reduce the carbon intensity of its economy (emissions per unit of output) by 16per cent by 2015.

To our shame, Australia has slipped to 55 out of the 57 countries included in the Index, in front of only Kazakhstan and Saudi Arabia.

Among OECD countries, Australia, Canada and the United States stand out with the largest per capita emissions of greenhouse gases. By contrast, the European Union and Japan emit at only half their rate.

What of Australia? Since ratifying the Kyoto protocol in 2007 and commissioning the Garnaut Report, the Commonwealth Government has achieved little to mitigate climate change.

Many federal parliamentarians seriously underestimate the importance and urgency of climate change, and both Labor and Coalition parties are engulfed by vested interests.


The steps taken and proposed by the Commonwealth Government to mitigate climate change are lamentably inadequate. They bear no relation either to Australia's responsibility for contributing to the problem, or to our capacity to help solve it. We have the scientific, technological, financial and logistical capacity to do far more.

Faced with a problem that appears to be serious but insurmountable, a natural human reaction is to put it to the back of the mind. Many Australians react to climate change like this.

We need to make it very clear to our parliamentarians that we are willing to play our part, and will accept nothing less from them. No spin. No excuses.

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Clearly Climate Change is a Problem & it will become a greater problem, over coming decades!

Part of the problem is that the scope of what is happening is on such on massive scale and the issues involved are so complex, it makes it difficult for many to comprehend, what the future will hold.

Kevin Rudd said,  Climate Change was ''the greatest moral, economic and environmental challenge of our generation''.

He was correct, but then he, the Labor Party, the Liberals & other Politicians consigned Climate Change mitigation to the Politically too hard basket, just like Politicians in most other parts of the world.

As the author of this article said, it is up to us (the Public) to push thru the SPIN & EXCUSES.

It's up to us, to force the Politicians not to follow those vested interests of The Powers That Be, it's up to us to push the Politicians (all of them) to ACT IN OUR BEST LONG TERM INTERESTS.

The reality is, we have fought wars, for much less than is at stake here!


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Reply #1 - May 28th, 2011 at 12:01pm
 
Climate Change occurs every second of the day for the last 4,540,000,000 years - it's nothing new

What's your point
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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2011 at 12:10pm
 
It is unfortunate that politicians are locked in to short term thinking, usually relating to only their next term in office.
Sadly when we do see a political party try and commit to long term projects, they are often attacked for partisan political gain, where an opposition will try and exploit concern over costs for projects that will not show benefits until after they complete their current term.

The adage that we get the politicians we deserve, is especially true when it is pressure from a public who push them to produce immediate results, but complain about ever investing in projects that would benefit future generations.

We need to try and change our thinking to be more pro-active, than reactive.
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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2011 at 12:27pm
 
mozzaok wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 12:10pm:
It is unfortunate that politicians are locked in to short term thinking, usually relating to only their next term in office.
Sadly when we do see a political party try and commit to long term projects, they are often attacked for partisan political gain, where an opposition will try and exploit concern over costs for projects that will not show benefits until after they complete their current term.

The adage that we get the politicians we deserve, is especially true when
it is pressure from a public who push them to produce immediate results, but complain about ever investing in projects that would benefit future generations.


We need to try and change our thinking to be more pro-active, than reactive.


That is correct and it's why I stressed that WE (the public), need to force these issues!

In fact, Climate Change is but one example of where Politicians (from both major party's) have not taken proper actions, which have affected future generations.

Successive governments (from both major party's), since mid last century, also avoided taking proper actions on what would happen when it came time for the Baby Boomer generation to retire and that is now starting to show the folly of their in-action!


Btw, idiots like Maqqa, slr, Mellie continue to show the same short sighted approach, when they refer to the current Climate Change, as the weather changes daily.
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2011 at 2:49pm
 
Maqqa wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

Climate Change occurs every second of the day for the last 4,540,000,000 years - it's nothing new

What's your point


That's the weather, you dill!


The weather is what changes daily!
The Climate takes -
Months to change seasons
Years to change, due to some inputs such as the El Nino/La Nina events
Decades to change, due to some events such as the continual build-up of GHG gases
Thousands of years to change, due to some events, such as the period between Ice Ages & the Peak of the interglacial warm period.  


Put simply, for simpletons -
Weather is short term
Climate is weather over the long term
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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2011 at 4:07pm
 
Melting of the Arctic 'will accelerate climate change within 20 years'


An irreversible climate "tipping point" could occur within the next 20 years as a result of the release of huge quantities of organic carbon locked away as frozen plant matter in the vast permafrost region of the Arctic, scientists have found.
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Billions of tons of frozen leaves and roots that have lain undisturbed for thousands of years in the permanently frozen ground of the northern hemisphere are thawing out, with potentially catastrophic implications for climate change, the researchers said.

A study into the speed at which the permafrost is melting suggests that the tipping point will occur between 2020 and 2030 and will mark the point at which the Arctic turns from being a net "sink" for carbon dioxide into an overall source that will accelerate global warming, they said.

The study is the first global investigation of what will happen in a warmer world to the huge amounts of frozen plant matter that has remained undegraded in the soil since it was incorporated into the permafrost about 30,000 years ago.

It also found that by 2200 about two-thirds of the Earth's permafrost will have melted, releasing an estimated 190 billion tons of carbon dioxide and methane into the air – about half of all the fossil fuel emissions of greenhouse gases since the start of the industrial revolution.

"Our research shows that the release of carbon from permafrost will result in an irreversible climate tipping point in only 20 years... Once the frozen carbon thaws out and decays, there is no way to put it back into the permafrost," Dr Schaefer said.

The Arctic has experienced some of the greatest climatic changes in the world over recent decades. Summer sea ice has melted back to record minimums, average temperatures have increased dramatically, and scientists have documented significant melting of the underground permafrost, from Alaska to eastern Siberia.

"All our emission reduction strategies are designed to hit a target atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration corresponding to a target climate. If we do not account for carbon released from thawing permafrost, we will overshoot this target concentration and end up with a warmer climate than we want," Dr Schaefer said.

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20 years hey, what will our Pollies do?

Nothing, it's outside their election cycle!
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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2011 at 5:57pm
 
mozzaok wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 12:10pm:
It is unfortunate that politicians are locked in to short term thinking, usually relating to only their next term in office.
Sadly when we do see a political party try and commit to long term projects, they are often attacked for partisan political gain, where an opposition will try and exploit concern over costs for projects that will not show benefits until after they complete their current term.

The adage that we get the politicians we deserve, is especially true when it is pressure from a public who push them to produce immediate results, but complain about ever investing in projects that would benefit future generations.

We need to try and change our thinking to be more pro-active, than reactive.

I'D BE ALLEGING THAT SHORT TERM, AND THEREFORE SHORT SIGHTED, POLITICS CAN ONLY BE SUCCESFUL WITH MASS MEDIA SUPPORT!

WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US?

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Reply #7 - May 30th, 2011 at 6:00pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 2:49pm:
Maqqa wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

Climate Change occurs every second of the day for the last 4,540,000,000 years - it's nothing new

What's your point


That's the weather, you dill!


The weather is what changes daily!
The Climate takes -
Months to change seasons
Years to change, due to some inputs such as the El Nino/La Nina events
Decades to change, due to some events such as the continual build-up of GHG gases
Thousands of years to change, due to some events, such as the period between Ice Ages & the Peak of the interglacial warm period.  


Put simply, for simpletons -
Weather is short term
Climate is weather over the long term

NUDGE NUDGE WINK WINK!!!

TONY ABBOTT IS UNDER THE PUMP METHINKS!!! Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:00pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 2:49pm:
Maqqa wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

Climate Change occurs every second of the day for the last 4,540,000,000 years - it's nothing new

What's your point


That's the weather, you dill!


The weather is what changes daily!
The Climate takes -
Months to change seasons
Years to change, due to some inputs such as the El Nino/La Nina events
Decades to change, due to some events such as the continual build-up of GHG gases
Thousands of years to change, due to some events, such as the period between Ice Ages & the Peak of the interglacial warm period.  


Put simply, for simpletons -
Weather is short term
Climate is weather over the long term




So to get to the long term, you have to take into account the short term.


Just like any trip begins with the first step!
You don't instantaneously get from A to B!
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Reply #9 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:07pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 4:07pm:
Melting of the Arctic 'will accelerate climate change within 20 years'

An irreversible climate "tipping point" could occur within the next 20 years as a result of the release of huge quantities of organic carbon locked away as frozen plant matter in the vast permafrost region of the Arctic, scientists have found.

Billions of tons of frozen leaves and roots that have lain undisturbed for thousands of years in the permanently frozen ground of the northern hemisphere are thawing out, with potentially catastrophic implications for climate change, the researchers said.

A study into the speed at which the permafrost is melting suggests that the tipping point will occur between 2020 and 2030 and will mark the point at which the Arctic turns from being a net "sink" for carbon dioxide into an overall source that will accelerate global warming, they said.

The study is the first global investigation of what will happen in a warmer world to the huge amounts of frozen plant matter that has remained undegraded in the soil since it was incorporated into the permafrost about 30,000 years ago.

It also found that by 2200 about two-thirds of the Earth's permafrost will have melted, releasing an estimated 190 billion tons of carbon dioxide and methane into the air – about half of all the fossil fuel emissions of greenhouse gases since the start of the industrial revolution.

"Our research shows that the release of carbon from permafrost will result in an irreversible climate tipping point in only 20 years... Once the frozen carbon thaws out and decays, there is no way to put it back into the permafrost," Dr Schaefer said.

The Arctic has experienced some of the greatest climatic changes in the world over recent decades. Summer sea ice has melted back to record minimums, average temperatures have increased dramatically, and scientists have documented significant melting of the underground permafrost, from Alaska to eastern Siberia.

"All our emission reduction strategies are designed to hit a target atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration corresponding to a target climate. If we do not account for carbon released from thawing permafrost, we will overshoot this target concentration and end up with a warmer climate than we want," Dr Schaefer said.

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20 years hey, what will our Pollies do?

Nothing, it's outside their election cycle!




You do realise that the Antartic has increased in size, and that the Antartic is 2-3 times the size of the Arctic.


And also that previously the global warmists solar models being used led to an increase in the ocean's evaporation and then claimed that global warming was causing the Arctic to increase in size!

But then the global warmists found that the Arctic was actuallly doing exactly the opposite of what the globalwarmists were predicting and claiming, and that the Arctic was decreasing in size.
So then the global warmists changed their model and then started the claim that global warming was causing the Arctic to shrink.
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Reply #10 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:07pm
 
creep wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 7:00pm:
perceptions_now wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 2:49pm:
Maqqa wrote on May 28th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

Climate Change occurs every second of the day for the last 4,540,000,000 years - it's nothing new

What's your point


That's the weather, you dill!


The weather is what changes daily!
The Climate takes -
Months to change seasons
Years to change, due to some inputs such as the El Nino/La Nina events
Decades to change, due to some events such as the continual build-up of GHG gases
Thousands of years to change, due to some events, such as the period between Ice Ages & the Peak of the interglacial warm period.  


Put simply, for simpletons -
Weather is short term
Climate is weather over the long term




So to get to the long term, you have to take into account the short term.


Just like any trip begins with the first step!
You don't instantaneously get from A to B!

Yes, go on....

You are attempting to explain POLITICAL VISION: THIS WILL BE GOLD!!!!

WHERE IS THAT POPCORN EMOTICON WHEN YOU NEED IT? [I'LL BE BACK!]  Wink Wink
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Reply #11 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:12pm
 
Grin Grin How amusing, Perceptions decides TO JOIN IN THE SPIRIT OF SOVIET LIKE PROPAGANDA TO HELP SELL FOR THE LABOR PARTY THIS RIDICULOUS CARBON TAX WHICH HAS NO CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL MAKE ANY SORT OF DENT TO THE TEMPERATURES OR ASTRONOMICALLY CHANGE THE CLIMATE.

THERE IS NO CERTAINTY IT WILL WORK NOR THAT WE CAN EVEN MEASURE ANY PROGRESS.
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Reply #12 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:16pm
 
stryder wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 7:12pm:
Grin Grin How amusing, Perceptions decides TO JOIN IN THE SPIRIT OF SOVIET LIKE PROPAGANDA TO HELP SELL FOR THE LABOR PARTY THIS RIDICULOUS CARBON TAX WHICH HAS NO CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL MAKE ANY SORT OF DENT TO THE TEMPERATURES OR ASTRONOMICALLY CHANGE THE CLIMATE.

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Reply #13 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:26pm
 
If we cant really measure it, we cant really determine it in the end if ithe idea is true ?, BUT THAT DOESNT STOP THIS AMAZING STUPID LABOR GOVERNMENT FROM USING IT TO EXTRACT A NEW TAX.


REMEMBER DEATHNEEDSABRAIN.

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Reply #14 - May 30th, 2011 at 7:30pm
 
stryder wrote on May 30th, 2011 at 7:26pm:
If we cant really measure it, we cant really determine it in the end if ithe idea is true ?, BUT THAT DOESNT STOP THIS AMAZING STUPID LABOR GOVERNMENT FROM USING IT TO EXTRACT A NEW TAX.


REMEMBER DEATHNEEDSABRAIN.

JuLIAR Gilliards AMAZING STUPIDITY IS MAKING TONY ABBOTT LOOKING LIKE RED ROSES AND PEACHES AND THE RECENT LAST POLLS PROVE IT,  Grin






Spot on there stryder.
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