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Greens backdown on Carbon price
May 25^th, 2011 at 11:46am

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/labor-rebuffs-greens-on...

THE GREENS have backed away from their hardline position on a high starting price for the carbon tax, conceding they won't get the price they want in negotiations with Labor.

As the multi-party climate change commission prepares to meet over the weekend to hammer out a deal, Greens leader Bob Brown has conceded his party will accept a lower starting price for the tax than it believes necessary to ensure a start to the transition from coal to gas and renewable energy.

The stance is at odds with the Greens' decision to vote down Kevin Rudd's emissions trading scheme in 2009 because it was too weak, and comes as Energy Minister Martin Ferguson slapped down the minor party by declaring the coal industry has a bright future.

When Greens deputy Leader Christine Milne said last week a carbon price of more than $40 a tonne would be needed to shift Australia's reliance on coal-fired power to cleaner energy, the Gillard government responded that the starting price would be `well south” of that.

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price
Reply #1 - May 25^th, 2011 at 12:10pm

Maqqa wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/labor-rebuffs-greens-on...

THE GREENS have backed away from their hardline position on a high starting price for the carbon tax, conceding they won't get the price they want in negotiations with Labor.

As the multi-party climate change commission prepares to meet over the weekend to hammer out a deal, Greens leader Bob Brown has conceded his party will accept a lower starting price for the tax than it believes necessary to ensure a start to the transition from coal to gas and renewable energy.

The stance is at odds with the Greens' decision to vote down Kevin Rudd's emissions trading scheme in 2009 because it was too weak, and comes as Energy Minister Martin Ferguson slapped down the minor party by declaring the coal industry has a bright future.

When Greens deputy Leader Christine Milne said last week a carbon price of more than $40 a tonne would be needed to shift Australia's reliance on coal-fired power to cleaner energy, the Gillard government responded that the starting price would be `well south” of that.

You at it again maqqa. Stop keeping us informed or giving us things to debate.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price Reply #2 - May 25^th, 2011 at 12:11pm You just know the carbon price is going to slide quickly after the mushrooms allow the implementation and going to be high.
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Flying Binghi Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 252 Australia Gender:	Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price Reply #3 - May 25^th, 2011 at 12:12pm . Bob Brown has been put in his place in the last week or so. Not an unexpected development.. When are the greens going to learn that they are to be the 'useful' idiots' of the carbon scam and nothing more.. .
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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price Reply #4 - May 25^th, 2011 at 12:41pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 12:12pm: . When are the greens going to learn that they are to be the 'useful' idiots' of the carbon scam and nothing more.. Do go on, please! Who are they useful idiots FOR? Who is actually coordinating this shadowy conspiracy and for what end? Pray do tell!
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Flying Binghi Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 252 Australia Gender:	Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price Reply #5 - May 25^th, 2011 at 12:56pm . Quote: Who is actually coordinating this shadowy conspiracy and for what end? Pray do tell! What, and spoil the fun.. Yer caint have a "shadowy conspiracy" if yer go blabbing about it.. .
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price Reply #6 - May 25^th, 2011 at 1:42pm The bloody SCAM should be dumped altogether. Along with those who support it. They are CONNING us, and we can't/won't see it.
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Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price
Reply #7 - May 25^th, 2011 at 1:46pm

Flying Binghi wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 12:56pm:

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Who is actually coordinating this shadowy conspiracy and for what end? Pray do tell!

What, and spoil the fun.. Huh

Yer caint have a "shadowy conspiracy" if yer go blabbing about it.. Grin

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But you said they are "useful idiots", and a useful idiot by very definition is an agent for someone else. So who? Surely, if you're making the accusation, you can back it up with something?

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Reply #8 - May 25^th, 2011 at 2:15pm

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via astro-surf: But you said they are "useful idiots", and a useful idiot by very definition is an agent for someone else. So who? Surely, if you're making the accusation, you can back it up with something?

Excellent observation there astro-surf.

As it is all just apparently a "shadowy conspiracy" i geuss i can offer only small hints. Dont want to be accused of giving the game away.. Huh

Hint 1/ - Who makes money from carbon trading ?

Fer one it aint Bob Brown... pure as the driven snow he is.. Wink

...or is that driving in a snow cloud... on or the other..

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Reply #9 - May 25^th, 2011 at 2:19pm

Flying Binghi wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

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via astro-surf: But you said they are "useful idiots", and a useful idiot by very definition is an agent for someone else. So who? Surely, if you're making the accusation, you can back it up with something?

Excellent observation there astro-surf.

As it is all just apparently a "shadowy conspiracy" i geuss i can offer only small hints. Dont want to be accused of giving the game away.. Huh

Hint 1/ - Who makes money from carbon trading ?

Fer one it aint Bob Brown... pure as the driven snow he is.. Wink

...or is that driving in a snow cloud... on or the other..

So who? Enough with the vaguely cryptic insinuations, either put your money where your mouth is and tyell us who is coordinating this conspiracy or STFU with your woo woo conspiracy theory BS.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Reply #10 - May 25^th, 2011 at 3:00pm

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via astro-surf: So who? Enough with the vaguely cryptic insinuations, either put your money where your mouth is and tyell us who is coordinating this conspiracy or STFU with your woo woo conspiracy theory BS.

err, sorry astro-surf, i thought as yer in this thread about a "carbon price" yer might understand a little about the subject.. Roll Eyes

astro-surf, can i suggest you study a bit about the 'carbon' trading subject before yer come back..

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Reply #11 - May 25^th, 2011 at 3:06pm

Flying Binghi wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 3:00pm:

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via astro-surf: So who? Enough with the vaguely cryptic insinuations, either put your money where your mouth is and tyell us who is coordinating this conspiracy or STFU with your woo woo conspiracy theory BS.

err, sorry astro-surf, i thought as yer in this thread about a "carbon price" yer might understand a little about the subject.. Roll Eyes

astro-surf, can i suggest you study a bit about the 'carbon' trading subject before yer come back..

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In other words you can't actually justify your lies. I thought as much. And now you're saying that any discussion about carbon pricing should be made under an a priori assumption that carbon trading is fraudulent? Ah, sorry dude, the rest of the world hasn't gone quite as far down the rabbit hole as you. We haven't drank the proverbial kool aid that you have.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price
Reply #12 - May 25^th, 2011 at 3:14pm

astro_surf wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 3:00pm:

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via astro-surf: So who? Enough with the vaguely cryptic insinuations, either put your money where your mouth is and tyell us who is coordinating this conspiracy or STFU with your woo woo conspiracy theory BS.

err, sorry astro-surf, i thought as yer in this thread about a "carbon price" yer might understand a little about the subject.. Roll Eyes

astro-surf, can i suggest you study a bit about the 'carbon' trading subject before yer come back..

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In other words you can't actually justify your lies. I thought as much. And now you're saying that any discussion about carbon pricing should be made under an a priori assumption that carbon trading is fraudulent? Ah, sorry dude, the rest of the world hasn't gone quite as far down the rabbit hole as you. We haven't drank the proverbial kool aid.

They should.

Because it is.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price Reply #13 - May 25^th, 2011 at 3:59pm Politics is all about negotiation and compromise...the Greens have just shown they are more responsible than Black Abbott and his extremist faction within the Coalition.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Greens backdown on Carbon price Reply #14 - May 25^th, 2011 at 4:04pm adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Politics is all about negotiation and compromise...the Greens have just shown they are more responsible than Black Abbott and his extremist faction within the Coalition. Indeed - More responsible for the sad state of affairs in this country.
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