gizmo_2655 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:32pm:


like what ?? any suggestions ??

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:05pm:



I've got a suggestion.....

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:09pm:


That's what an idiot labor politician said and now you want to believe that as though it was the gospel. But where is the evidence that they never did apply or are you just making it up as usual to suit your apologies for the corporate scammers ??

You always take the side of the corporate crooks that hoodwink taxpayers and workers I wonder about you mate

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:26pm:


no, more likely they put in an application and it failed. The website doesn't list the ones that failed. There are probably many more that failed as well but Holden certainly got its handout to import another fossil car from Korea

what a joke you lot are.

http://www.evme.com.au/2009/10/07/peter-garrett-gives-evme-the-thumbs-up/



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Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 4:05pm:


well being an appologist for corporate crooks you would side with an incompetent labor minister wouldn't you especially when it comes to bailing out an nonviable business that can't stand oin its one two feet.

What sort of business is that ??

Well, quite a bit of talk, but not much in the way of any actual solutions, unless you count the one liner about "there WILL be 'cheaper' alternatives in the future".

Let me say, if the only solution, in place of "good Public policy", is we will go with a "wing & a prayer" and hope that the "innovation cavalry" come riding over the hill, just in the nick of time, AGAIN, then we have real problems, whivh we do.

You will note that I said, "in the nick of time" and that's because if we were going to "think of something else long before we run out", then we would have already done it!

As I have repeatedly said, in respect of Energy, Oil Production already effectively Peaked back in 2005 and short of another major Recession that will become glaringly obvious to almost all, over the next couple of years.

That said, I expect we will shortly see "the Recession we had to have", as Paul Keating would have put it!  

As I have also said many times, we don't have to run out of Oil, for it to be a major problem.

In fact, Oil becomes a major problem when -
The flow of new capacity, is insufficient to offset the loss of capacity to depletion and therefore the usual increase in Demand is not able to be met?

And, the start of the effects of that moment, can be seen in what has happened after 2005, when the Peak Oil moment did arrive!

Since then, it has been reflected in higher Energy & Food prices, it was reflected in the current GFC starting & it is still being reflected, as the Global Economy again sinks into recession, as many governments & central banks are now broke and can not continue their Keynesian efforts.  

However, this thread is about solutions and in this respect, we need to view things in two ways -
1) Near - medium term.
2) Longer term

Near - medium term
Oil/Petrol Pricing will probably go lower in the short term, as the GFC Mk2 bites deeper, but Prices are unlikely to go as low as they did in response to the GFC Mk1, before then starting a more medium term rise, that simply won't stop, as it becomes apparent to almost all, that the Peak Oil moment has arrived  and the flow of new capacity, is insufficient to offset the loss of capacity to depletion and therefore the usual increase in Demand is not able to be met?
So, in the short to medium term, there is only a brief respite, before things really start to get out of hand!

Longer term
Governments of ALL PERSUASIONS & IN ALL MAJOR COUNTRIES, need to accept that Peak Oil is here now and they need to enlist the help of the Public & provide direction to the private sector, so that change can be started in more sustainable directions.

Those directions lay in lower Demand, via a declining Global Population and a real attempt to look at possible new Technologies & Innovations, towards new ways of doing things & alternative Energy sources, particularly in relation to Transport.

But time is of the essence and if we are to avoid a monumental collapse, of staggering proportions, then we ned to start now, with a Global program, equivalent in effort to the likes of the Manhattan Project, otherwise the longer term will get completely out of hand.

February 19, 2011

A CLEANLY swept corner of a busy Port Melbourne warehouse is poised to become the birthplace of Australia’s own electric production car.

EV Engineering, a new consortium of five car parts makers, will spend 15 months building a completely electric version of the Holden Commodore.

It will strip as much weight as possible from the car. An electric motor driving the rear wheels will replace the fuel tank, and under the bonnet, instead of a V6 or V8 engine, there will be a cluster of batteries.
There will be no need to worry if you run low on charge in the electric Commodore, as it can be recharged with ”green” energy from a household power point, or by using a swap system developed by electric car infrastructure company Better Place to exchange a depleted bank of batteries for a fresh one in less than three minutes.

EV Engineering said yesterday that it would manage the project, to be based in part of a warehouse borrowed from automotive components maker Futuris.

Futuris will help strip weight from the car, an offshoot of tyre maker Continental will help with engineering, electronics giant Bosch will throw in an electric motor and tweak the software used to make everything work, and thermal specialist Air International will help keep the heat-generating electronics cool under pressure.

Chief executive Ian McCleave said EV Engineering planned to build seven concept cars designed to show it is possible to future-proof a conventional car against rising fuel prices.

”The Commodore is the perfect car to do this with,” said Mr McCleave, a former Holden director.

”It’s the big, heavy cars that use the most fuel, so they have the most to gain from a program like this.”

The Australian taxpayer will own part of each one built, with the federal government tipping in more than $3.5 million.

Ive been asking you for ages about a commodore or falcon sized EV and all you say is they are rubbish.

Rubbish or not, you cant fit a young family in a ford focus, and it looks like someone is answering the question.

Problem for you nail is you cant even afford to upgrade your current car, let alone to an EV which it is assumed will cost substantially more.