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Reply #165 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:50pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Last FBT year I spent $12,546 on my vehicle, of which only $2,915 was fuel. Thats only 23.23%, not even a quarter of the total costs for the year.

And when it comes to a $2915 pay rise for the lowest income workers well we can't have that can we !! but when it comes to taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser well then that is perfectly acceptable and very very cheap and the lowest income earners shouldn't complain should they !!

What has a pay rise got to do with the TOTAL costs for a year?

Where do you come up with some of your rants?

I was merely pointing out that fuel was only 23% of the total cost of my vehicle last year, making it less than a quarter of my total expenditure.

This year it will be even less.

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Reply #166 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:17pm

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:05pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 12:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 12:55pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:06pm:

now the more important question wil be the cost factors in such PV cells. the drawback in Solar PV remains its cost per kw. if the efficiency (which surely has to be the intention of this) can bring it up to 65% then solar PV can compete well with wind and be withing striking distance of fossil fuels.

and what about the draw back of the rising cost of fossil fools at the fool bowser ??

How come that is never a factor in these comparisons ??

it is. the rising cost of fossil fuels ARE included in cost comparisons but you seem to not understand that the gap in costs is HUGE. Solar PV is 3 times the cose of coal and Solar thermal FOUR times. and the building costs of wind farms - the biggest component of cost - is also rising.

and including the cost of running a fossil fool vehicle compared to an electric vehicle how does it then compare ??

fuel costs are a small component of TOTAL cost.

at $1.60 per liter you're kidding aren't you !! Cheesy

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Last FBT year I spent $12,546 on my vehicle, of which only $2,915 was fuel. Thats only 23.23%, not even a quarter of the total costs for the year.

as a more expensive vehical my total expenses were about $5000 more than than and fuel about $1500 more. as much as it sucks to pay a lot for fuel it is a small amount compared to loan repayments!

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Reply #167 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:20pm

Life_goes_on wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:05pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:45pm:

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the claim I liked was the one that said it could be used to detect contraband in airports! i still see ZERO connection on that one!

Solar cells and electronic image sensors are closely related technologies.

The image sensor in a digital camera is a glorified solar cell unit. It converts captured light to a voltage.

I understand that but we already have camers and thermal imaging equipment. I fail to see how this technology woudl in any way be suitable - nevermind an improvement - on thermal imaging equipment.

Well, quite obviously they think it may have some advantages over current technologies. Unless you're fully informed about the specs of the product, it's a very brave person who calls "bullshit" in regards to claims about what devopment paths they show an interest in following with it.

given the capability of thermal imaging equipment now I have little reason to expect that a solar cell is going to be superior. I rememebr the announcement of the original black LCD. one of ita anticipated uses was to eliminate window coveringas as with a swtch the windows would turn black. it was a stupid idea then and history proved it was a stupid idea. you just need to think a little about some of these claims.

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Reply #168 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:22pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 12:56pm:

I presume you are buying one? puyt down your deposit or ar you just a

BIG MOUTH?

Nah, I'm still waiting for Holden to build one for all of the corporate welfare that was given to them to build a 'green' car. Someone forgot to tell Holden that 'green' means that you don't keep people addicted to the fool bowser and pollute the crap out of the environment in stop start traffic !! Maybe you can emphasize that salient point to them Wink

as has been said by others 'green' doesnt mean using no fuel. it means using LESS. you need to learn to understand the shades of grey that exist in the real world. EVs arent green by your standards either. there are few things more environmentally toxic than batteries.

yes and that is at least one toxic battery used in each of the 800 million fossil fool cars and trucks world wide !! Some how come that doesn't count in your small minded mentality Sad

and what about the carcinogenic sump oil not to mention the cocktail of toxins emitted from the tail pipe Sad

Of course that is the way it has always been done so you can't use that as a comparison can you ??

there is a HUGE difference betweenn a single lead-acid battery and an EV battery with lithium or other toxic materials. you seem to think that petrol is the only possible pollutant from cars. you dont even consider other issues.

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Reply #169 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:24pm

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Last FBT year I spent $12,546 on my vehicle, of which only $2,915 was fuel. Thats only 23.23%, not even a quarter of the total costs for the year.

And when it comes to a $2915 pay rise for the lowest income workers well we can't have that can we !! but when it comes to taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser well then that is perfectly acceptable and very very cheap and the lowest income earners shouldn't complain should they !!

What has a pay rise got to do with the TOTAL costs for a year?

Where do you come up with some of your rants?

I was merely pointing out that fuel was only 23% of the total cost of my vehicle last year, making it less than a quarter of my total expenditure.

This year it will be even less.

you probably notice erge that EVERY post he makes and every argument is rarely about what he is claiming. this post is all about his problems affording fuel. it has nothing to do with new technology or anythgin else. it is about him - as it has always been.

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Reply #170 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:17pm:

as a more expensive vehical my total expenses were about $5000 more than than and fuel about $1500 more. as much as it sucks to pay a lot for fuel it is a small amount compared to loan repayments!

so now you are admitting that it is a lot to pay for fool at the fool bowser but some how you can rationalize it away in your small mind by comparing it to something that is yet more expensive

LOL

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Reply #171 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 12:56pm:

I presume you are buying one? puyt down your deposit or ar you just a

BIG MOUTH?

Nah, I'm still waiting for Holden to build one for all of the corporate welfare that was given to them to build a 'green' car. Someone forgot to tell Holden that 'green' means that you don't keep people addicted to the fool bowser and pollute the crap out of the environment in stop start traffic !! Maybe you can emphasize that salient point to them Wink

as has been said by others 'green' doesnt mean using no fuel. it means using LESS. you need to learn to understand the shades of grey that exist in the real world. EVs arent green by your standards either. there are few things more environmentally toxic than batteries.

yes and that is at least one toxic battery used in each of the 800 million fossil fool cars and trucks world wide !! Some how come that doesn't count in your small minded mentality Sad

and what about the carcinogenic sump oil not to mention the cocktail of toxins emitted from the tail pipe Sad

Of course that is the way it has always been done so you can't use that as a comparison can you ??

there is a HUGE difference betweenn a single lead-acid battery and an EV battery with lithium or other toxic materials. you seem to think that petrol is the only possible pollutant from cars. you dont even consider other issues.

lead is toxic to you moron or haven't you heard of the ROHS standards that is being applied to all electronic equipment over the last 10 years !!

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Reply #172 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:29pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:17pm:

as a more expensive vehical my total expenses were about $5000 more than than and fuel about $1500 more. as much as it sucks to pay a lot for fuel it is a small amount compared to loan repayments!

so now you are admitting that it is a lot to pay for fool at the fool bowser but some how you can rationalize it away in your small mind by comparing it to something that is yet more expensive

LOL

are you terminally stupid???? we have NO ALTERNATIVES. adn petrol is actually still cheaper than when it peaked at $1.75 a few years ago.

when you and your gay lover - booby_the_planker - comes up with a viable and available alternative then let the world know. for now we buy petrol or we ride a bike. I cant help it that YOU ride a bike.

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Reply #173 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:30pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 12:56pm:

I presume you are buying one? puyt down your deposit or ar you just a

BIG MOUTH?

Nah, I'm still waiting for Holden to build one for all of the corporate welfare that was given to them to build a 'green' car. Someone forgot to tell Holden that 'green' means that you don't keep people addicted to the fool bowser and pollute the crap out of the environment in stop start traffic !! Maybe you can emphasize that salient point to them Wink

as has been said by others 'green' doesnt mean using no fuel. it means using LESS. you need to learn to understand the shades of grey that exist in the real world. EVs arent green by your standards either. there are few things more environmentally toxic than batteries.

yes and that is at least one toxic battery used in each of the 800 million fossil fool cars and trucks world wide !! Some how come that doesn't count in your small minded mentality Sad

and what about the carcinogenic sump oil not to mention the cocktail of toxins emitted from the tail pipe Sad

Of course that is the way it has always been done so you can't use that as a comparison can you ??

there is a HUGE difference betweenn a single lead-acid battery and an EV battery with lithium or other toxic materials. you seem to think that petrol is the only possible pollutant from cars. you dont even consider other issues.

lead is toxic to you moron or haven't you heard of the ROHS standards that is being applied to all electronic equipment over the last 10 years !!

lead is recycled. you dont need handling or breathing equipment if you touch it!

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Reply #174 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:33pm

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Last FBT year I spent $12,546 on my vehicle, of which only $2,915 was fuel. Thats only 23.23%, not even a quarter of the total costs for the year.

And when it comes to a $2915 pay rise for the lowest income workers well we can't have that can we !! but when it comes to taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser well then that is perfectly acceptable and very very cheap and the lowest income earners shouldn't complain should they !!

What has a pay rise got to do with the TOTAL costs for a year?

Where do you come up with some of your rants?

I was merely pointing out that fuel was only 23% of the total cost of my vehicle last year, making it less than a quarter of my total expenditure.

This year it will be even less.

yes you rationalize the high cost of fossil fool by comparing it with something even more expensive and the fact that you claim it as a tax deduction. But on the other hand you don't consider a worker on a low income who has to fork out 2900 bucks per year after tax and who you wouldn't think twice about denying a measly 20 dollar a week pay rise Sad

That's why you libbos live in dream world and why you don't have solutions for real world problems.

But like I said after all of this drivel no libbo on this board can offer a practical solution for the rising costs of fossil fools other than to pull themselves over how cheap their fossil fool bills were compared to something that was even more expensive Cheesy

LOL

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Reply #176 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:40pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:33pm:

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Last FBT year I spent $12,546 on my vehicle, of which only $2,915 was fuel. Thats only 23.23%, not even a quarter of the total costs for the year.

And when it comes to a $2915 pay rise for the lowest income workers well we can't have that can we !! but when it comes to taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser well then that is perfectly acceptable and very very cheap and the lowest income earners shouldn't complain should they !!

What has a pay rise got to do with the TOTAL costs for a year?

Where do you come up with some of your rants?

I was merely pointing out that fuel was only 23% of the total cost of my vehicle last year, making it less than a quarter of my total expenditure.

This year it will be even less.

yes you rationalize the high cost of fossil fool by comparing it with something even more expensive and the fact that you claim it as a tax deduction. But on the other hand you don't consider a worker on a low income who has to fork out 2900 bucks per year after tax and who you wouldn't think twice about denying a measly 20 dollar a week pay rise Sad

That's why you libbos live in dream world and why you don't have solutions for real world problems.

But like I said after all of this drivel no libbo on this board can offer a practical solution for the rising costs of fossil fools other than to pull themselves over how cheap their fossil fool bills were compared to something that was even more expensive Cheesy

LOL

so whats YOUR solution, genius? tell us your brilliant idea. the world is certainly waiting!

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Reply #177 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:17pm:

as a more expensive vehical my total expenses were about $5000 more than than and fuel about $1500 more. as much as it sucks to pay a lot for fuel it is a small amount compared to loan repayments!

so now you are admitting that it is a lot to pay for fool at the fool bowser but some how you can rationalize it away in your small mind by comparing it to something that is yet more expensive

LOL

are you terminally stupid???? we have NO ALTERNATIVES. adn petrol is actually still cheaper than when it peaked at $1.75 a few years ago.

when you and your gay lover - booby_the_planker - comes up with a viable and available alternative then let the world know. for now we buy petrol or we ride a bike. I cant help it that YOU ride a bike.

and so are you saying that the price it is trending downwards so in 10 years time it should be much cheaper ??

LOL

like I said you always rationalize the high cost of fossil fool at the fool bowser by comparing it with something more expensive but when it comes to renewables you always compare it with something cheaper. That's how you argue all of the time but like I said at the end of the day you don't have a solution except to kid yourself.

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Reply #178 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:49pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:33pm:

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Verge wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Last FBT year I spent $12,546 on my vehicle, of which only $2,915 was fuel. Thats only 23.23%, not even a quarter of the total costs for the year.

And when it comes to a $2915 pay rise for the lowest income workers well we can't have that can we !! but when it comes to taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser well then that is perfectly acceptable and very very cheap and the lowest income earners shouldn't complain should they !!

What has a pay rise got to do with the TOTAL costs for a year?

Where do you come up with some of your rants?

I was merely pointing out that fuel was only 23% of the total cost of my vehicle last year, making it less than a quarter of my total expenditure.

This year it will be even less.

yes you rationalize the high cost of fossil fool by comparing it with something even more expensive and the fact that you claim it as a tax deduction. But on the other hand you don't consider a worker on a low income who has to fork out 2900 bucks per year after tax and who you wouldn't think twice about denying a measly 20 dollar a week pay rise Sad

That's why you libbos live in dream world and why you don't have solutions for real world problems.

But like I said after all of this drivel no libbo on this board can offer a practical solution for the rising costs of fossil fools other than to pull themselves over how cheap their fossil fool bills were compared to something that was even more expensive Cheesy

LOL

Why do you go off on such tangents?

What is wrong with merely highlighting than the cost of fuel is not the be all end all in the grand scheme of running a motor vehicle?

Why the need to go off on unsubstantiated claims about workers pay rises?

Go back and read that thread carefully next time because now you are just embarrassing yourself.

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Reply #179 - May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 3:40pm:

so whats YOUR solution, genius? tell us your brilliant idea. the world is certainly waiting!

no you libbos are the one bagging the carbon tax for supoosedly increasing the cost of energy so you tell us how to deal with the rising cost of fossil fools ??

come on libbos lets see a vision for the future Cheesy

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