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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight Reply #15 - May 19^th, 2011 at 9:53pm The usefulness of solar PV really boils down to cost, not efficiency.
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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #16 - May 19^th, 2011 at 9:59pm

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

Renewable energy is progressing and it will keep progressing.
I am betting we will look back in 20 yrs time and wonder what all the fuss was about
I am positive about the future and our excelleration away from dirty polluting fossil fuels.
It only takes a few huge break throughs and the dam walls will break..its been the same all throughout human history.

Dirty polluting fossil fuels...what about dirty polluting solar cells made of polysilicon, itself toxic, but in making it and disposing of it are both highly environmentally harmful.
It produces nitrogen trifluoride, silicon tetrachloride, arsenic, cadmium, etc.
Nitrogen trifluoride is 17,200 times more potent greenhouse gas than that nasty old CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels and has an estimated life in the atmosphere of 740 years.
To produce one ton of polysilicon produces 4 tonnes of liquid waste. In China this is being dumped in fields...not blooming marvelous because it is highly toxic to plant life.

If you get a free meal someone else is paying for it.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #17 - May 19^th, 2011 at 10:15pm

tonegunman1 wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 9:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

Renewable energy is progressing and it will keep progressing.
I am betting we will look back in 20 yrs time and wonder what all the fuss was about
I am positive about the future and our excelleration away from dirty polluting fossil fuels.
It only takes a few huge break throughs and the dam walls will break..its been the same all throughout human history.

Dirty polluting fossil fuels...what about dirty polluting solar cells made of polysilicon, itself toxic, but in making it and disposing of it are both highly environmentally harmful.
It produces nitrogen trifluoride, silicon tetrachloride, arsenic, cadmium, etc.
Nitrogen trifluoride is 17,200 times more potent greenhouse gas than that nasty old CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels and has an estimated life in the atmosphere of 740 years.
To produce one ton of polysilicon produces 4 tonnes of liquid waste. In China this is being dumped in fields...not blooming marvelous because it is highly toxic to plant life.

If you get a free meal someone else is paying for it.

but that would apply to anything that uses semiconductors which means just about any electronic device !!

and you only make the panels once. you don't keep burning and polluting like you do with fossil fools.

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Reply #18 - May 20^th, 2011 at 7:39am

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

Renewable energy is progressing and it will keep progressing.
I am betting we will look back in 20 yrs time and wonder what all the fuss was about
I am positive about the future and our excelleration away from dirty polluting fossil fuels.
It only takes a few huge break throughs and the dam walls will break..its been the same all throughout human history.

the major technologies - wind and solar PV are actually 50 year old technologies. The only real improvemtns ahve been in manufacturing costs and efficiency. even wave/tidal is decades old. geothermal is not new either. hot rocks is, as is most of solar thermal and concentrated solar.

nuclear fusion however is very new - so new that it doesnt yet work!

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight Reply #19 - May 20^th, 2011 at 7:41am freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 9:53pm: The usefulness of solar PV really boils down to cost, not efficiency. but cost is a function of efficiency! if the same hardware and plant can generate 2-3 times as much then the effective cost plummets. and it is COST that is holding R/E back.
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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #20 - May 20^th, 2011 at 7:54am

Sir lastnail wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 10:15pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 9:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

Renewable energy is progressing and it will keep progressing.
I am betting we will look back in 20 yrs time and wonder what all the fuss was about
I am positive about the future and our excelleration away from dirty polluting fossil fuels.
It only takes a few huge break throughs and the dam walls will break..its been the same all throughout human history.

Dirty polluting fossil fuels...what about dirty polluting solar cells made of polysilicon, itself toxic, but in making it and disposing of it are both highly environmentally harmful.
It produces nitrogen trifluoride, silicon tetrachloride, arsenic, cadmium, etc.
Nitrogen trifluoride is 17,200 times more potent greenhouse gas than that nasty old CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels and has an estimated life in the atmosphere of 740 years.
To produce one ton of polysilicon produces 4 tonnes of liquid waste. In China this is being dumped in fields...not blooming marvelous because it is highly toxic to plant life.

If you get a free meal someone else is paying for it.

but that would apply to anything that uses semiconductors which means just about any electronic device !!

and you only make the panels once. you don't keep burning and polluting like you do with fossil fools.

Calling fuels "fools" only helps to make you look sillier.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #21 - May 20^th, 2011 at 7:55am

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 7:41am:

freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 9:53pm:

The usefulness of solar PV really boils down to cost, not efficiency.

but cost is a function of efficiency! if the same hardware and plant can generate 2-3 times as much then the effective cost plummets. and it is COST that is holding R/E back.

Who was it said if we could weaponise the sun solar would be way ahead of where it is now?

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Reply #22 - May 20^th, 2011 at 9:14am

Sir lastnail wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:25am:

they talk sunlight so what happens when there is no sunlight?..winertime some countries see very little sunlight..even in Canberra we have our days..do they still capture the sun heat though it cant be felt or seen?

There are things called batteries you know Wink

And do we ignore sunlight and heat energy during the day just because it is not available 24 hours a day ?? It's not an all or nothing solution.

yeah I have heard of them.... something funny about batteries they always fade at the wrong moment..mine would burn out about 8pm...

however are not batteries a pollutant in their own right? and almost impossible to get rid of.and would we have to have a huge one attached to the roof as well.. just asking as I like to get a mental picture...

rusty are you driving the Great wall yet???

havent seen many

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight Reply #24 - May 20^th, 2011 at 12:38pm mavisdavis wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 7:54am: Calling fuels "fools" only helps to make you look sillier. correction - fossil fools
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Reply #25 - May 20^th, 2011 at 12:44pm

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:25am:

they talk sunlight so what happens when there is no sunlight?..winertime some countries see very little sunlight..even in Canberra we have our days..do they still capture the sun heat though it cant be felt or seen?

There are things called batteries you know Wink

And do we ignore sunlight and heat energy during the day just because it is not available 24 hours a day ?? It's not an all or nothing solution.

yeah I have heard of them.... something funny about batteries they always fade at the wrong moment..mine would burn out about 8pm...

however are not batteries a pollutant in their own right? and almost impossible to get rid of.and would we have to have a huge one attached to the roof as well.. just asking as I like to get a mental picture...

rusty are you driving the Great wall yet???

havent seen many

especially those batteries in every fossil fool car on the planet. But that doesn't count does it as long as some shareholder in some oil company profits out of it Wink

and I got a car. don't need another one. cost me enough as it is. I paid $1.58 for PULP the other day Sad

Not cheap are they. Got any ideas of how I can reduce the costs of running my fossil fool vehicle since you libbos are always obsessed by the cost of renewable energy !!

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Reply #26 - May 20^th, 2011 at 1:25pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:25am:

they talk sunlight so what happens when there is no sunlight?..winertime some countries see very little sunlight..even in Canberra we have our days..do they still capture the sun heat though it cant be felt or seen?

There are things called batteries you know Wink

And do we ignore sunlight and heat energy during the day just because it is not available 24 hours a day ?? It's not an all or nothing solution.

yeah I have heard of them.... something funny about batteries they always fade at the wrong moment..mine would burn out about 8pm...

however are not batteries a pollutant in their own right? and almost impossible to get rid of.and would we have to have a huge one attached to the roof as well.. just asking as I like to get a mental picture...

rusty are you driving the Great wall yet???

havent seen many

especially those batteries in every fossil fool car on the planet. But that doesn't count does it as long as some shareholder in some oil company profits out of it Wink

and I got a car. don't need another one. cost me enough as it is. I paid $1.58 for PULP the other day Sad

Not cheap are they. Got any ideas of how I can reduce the costs of running my fossil fool vehicle since you libbos are always obsessed by the cost of renewable energy !!

as usual, no technical comment on the virtual impossibility of a 90% conversion of sunlight to energy!

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Reply #27 - May 20^th, 2011 at 3:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 1:25pm:

as usual, no technical comment on the virtual impossibility of a 90% conversion of sunlight to energy!

I can guarantee one thing about it. If there is anything in it, it won't be developed or manufactured here because we are to busy polishing floor boards and investing in old junk properties !! That's all that is left here as far as high tech goes Sad

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Reply #28 - May 20^th, 2011 at 3:56pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:25am:

they talk sunlight so what happens when there is no sunlight?..winertime some countries see very little sunlight..even in Canberra we have our days..do they still capture the sun heat though it cant be felt or seen?

There are things called batteries you know Wink

And do we ignore sunlight and heat energy during the day just because it is not available 24 hours a day ?? It's not an all or nothing solution.

yeah I have heard of them.... something funny about batteries they always fade at the wrong moment..mine would burn out about 8pm...

however are not batteries a pollutant in their own right? and almost impossible to get rid of.and would we have to have a huge one attached to the roof as well.. just asking as I like to get a mental picture...

rusty are you driving the Great wall yet???

havent seen many

especially those batteries in every fossil fool car on the planet. But that doesn't count does it as long as some shareholder in some oil company profits out of it Wink

and I got a car. don't need another one. cost me enough as it is. I paid $1.58 for PULP the other day Sad

Not cheap are they. Got any ideas of how I can reduce the costs of running my fossil fool vehicle since you libbos are always obsessed by the cost of renewable energy !!

Yep, trade it in on a Hybrid..

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #29 - May 20^th, 2011 at 3:58pm

Longweekend.
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as usual, no technical comment on the virtual impossibility of a 90% conversion of sunlight to energy!

What would you know longweekend?
You're always making negative comments on all Nail's threads.
It's only through Nail that you learn about new technology so
you should be thanking him for telling you.

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