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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #120 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:01pm

[quote author=it_is_the_light link=1305725981/105#119 date=1306058325]why should any be suprised with weekenders responses?

this one denies that magnetic energy is free

and regards sticky tape as free energy to boot...

the guys' mind is footloose on the dancefloor that is painted

upon a checkerboard black and white canvass called insanity

with forgiveness and an abundance of non judgemental observational

aspectual interpretation

eternal blessings and forgiveness for freemasonics and or simple

minds

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #121 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:03pm

Life_goes_on wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 7:57pm:

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Achieving a 95% converions efficiency is a remarkable achievement but the old saying is that if it sounds too good to be true then it usually ISNT true.

I heard the interview and there was no mention of 90+% efficiency. All they said is that it managed to use 90+% of the available light spectrum.

There was no mention of what kind of extra power production the extra 70 or so percent of light utilisation resulted in.

Since it wasn't mentioned, I think it's safe to assume that not all of the extra light captured results in a comparable increase in output.

Now that is quite a different scenario, isnt it? a wider range of frequencies that can be captured is vastly different than the implication in the OP. So it uses 90% of the visible light spectrum or the spectrum of light emitted by the sun? interesting!

but it is a very different scenario than converting 90% of light energy.

Perhaps they should hire a scientist instead of a marketer to write their press releases. Be interesting to see what the outcome of it is.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #123 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:03pm

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1305725981/120#120 date=1306058484][quote author=it_is_the_light link=1305725981/105#119 date=1306058325]why should any be suprised with weekenders responses?

this one denies that magnetic energy is free

and regards sticky tape as free energy to boot...

the guys' mind is footloose on the dancefloor that is painted

upon a checkerboard black and white canvass called insanity

with forgiveness and an abundance of non judgemental observational

aspectual interpretation

eternal blessings and forgiveness for freemasonics and or simple

minds

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I won't forgive Longweekend until he thanks Nail.
[/quote]

grow a set, you big girl.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #124 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:06pm

now the more important question wil be the cost factors in such PV cells. the drawback in Solar PV remains its cost per kw. if the efficiency (which surely has to be the intention of this) can bring it up to 65% then solar PV can compete well with wind and be withing striking distance of fossil fuels.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #125 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:09pm

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via Ernie; What we really need is better energy storage

Well put Ernie. We could have a mythical solar panel putting out 100% conversion efficancy and we still run into the same old problems when the sun goes down. Our current technology solar panels would probably be near good enuf if we had a dirt cheap reliable battery.

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As i hate power lines and like to be a little independant from the government teat i dont have power to me little farm and i've been using solar fer about quarter of a century now.
Expensive and unreliable is the best discripter of solar. Most times now i just fire up the genny when anything more then a light is needed. That said, i look forward to the day when we have good cheap reliable indepent power sources...

...in the mean time oil and coal is the most sensible power sources we have. IMO it is shear stupidity to stop using them as power sources until something better comes along.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #126 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:03pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 7:57pm:

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Achieving a 95% converions efficiency is a remarkable achievement but the old saying is that if it sounds too good to be true then it usually ISNT true.

I heard the interview and there was no mention of 90+% efficiency. All they said is that it managed to use 90+% of the available light spectrum.

There was no mention of what kind of extra power production the extra 70 or so percent of light utilisation resulted in.

Since it wasn't mentioned, I think it's safe to assume that not all of the extra light captured results in a comparable increase in output.

Now that is quite a different scenario, isnt it? a wider range of frequencies that can be captured is vastly different than the implication in the OP. So it uses 90% of the visible light spectrum or the spectrum of light emitted by the sun? interesting!

but it is a very different scenario than converting 90% of light energy.

Perhaps they should hire a scientist instead of a marketer to write their press releases. Be interesting to see what the outcome of it is.

The press release makes no claims other than "has developed a flexible solar sheet that captures more than 90 percent of available light".

The problem seems to be an attempt at creative writing when the press release was rewritten on one of the Green or renewable energy sites and then went kind of viral on similar sites.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #127 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 7:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 7:31pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 6:58pm:

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Im prepared to state categorically that these panels DO NOT EXIST. not only do they exceed the theoretical maximum in real life use the standard of english inthe OP makes it look very very much like the kind of scam that fools like you fall for.

The story in the OP is based upon a press release from the Engineering Dept of the University Of Missouri.

A couple of the guys involved were interviewed on the BBC the other night. They were most certainly claiming that the device captured 90% of available light. I have no idea what that actually means for overall efficiency or power output - are these panels actually 400+% better than existing ones?

But in your case Longy, you don't want the story to be true. It goes against your basic ideology. To you, anything "solar" stinks of "Green" and we all know how much you pathologically hate anything to do with the Greens.

He doesn't want it to be true because he is an arsehole. He wants everyone to be chained to energy corporations no matter what alternatives are available. He's been in denial of electric car technology for years and has even argued against them on nearly every thread that I have started. One thread on Yahoo went for 4000 posts full of his drivel and yet other countries are investing heavily into this technology whilst his good useless mates at Ford and Holden are scamming corporate welfare out of the government on the promise of making the proverbial never-ever green car. These are businesses that can't support themselves and stand on their own two feet without yearly injections of tax payers money and badweekend reckons they make great cars that keep people chained to the fossil fool bowser. Sad

and as I pointed out repeatedly to you... EVs dont even EXIST in the mass market. they are at best a niche product with TWO models - one of which you cant even buy yet.

and when are we going to see the proverbial green car from Holden that cost tax payers 200 million dollars ?? How can the Holden EV exist in the mass market when Holden refuses to make even one prototype Sad

You must think everyone is completely stupid.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #128 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:06pm:

now the more important question wil be the cost factors in such PV cells. the drawback in Solar PV remains its cost per kw. if the efficiency (which surely has to be the intention of this) can bring it up to 65% then solar PV can compete well with wind and be withing striking distance of fossil fuels.

and what about the draw back of the rising cost of fossil fools at the fool bowser ??

How come that is never a factor in these comparisons ??

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #129 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:29pm

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and when are we going to see the proverbial green car from Holden that cost tax payers 200 million dollars ??

We got it. The Cruze.
It's more fuel efficient and more energy efficient to produce when compared to the old Astra.

It fitted the brief of the "Green" grant. You might have your own definition of what "green" is, but as far as the grant went, all they wanted were vehicles or devices that reduced fuel consumption - not just eliminate it.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #130 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:31pm

Life_goes_on wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:29pm:

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and when are we going to see the proverbial green car from Holden that cost tax payers 200 million dollars ??

We got it. The Cruze.
It's more fuel efficient and more energy efficient to produce.

It fitted the brief of the "Green" grant. You might have your own definition of what "green" is, but as far as the grant went, all they wanted were vehicles or devices that reduced fuel consumption - not eliminated it.

We got ripped off !! Any small fossil fool car would fit that description and yet only Holden got the grant. What a scam Sad

It still keeps you addicted to the rising costs at the fossil fool bowser and still pollutes as well. Its fuel economy is not the great either. Plenty of smaller cars do better but hey why didn't they get any money ?? Sad

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #131 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:41pm

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We got ripped off !! Any small fossil fool car would fit that description and yet only Holden got the grant. What a scam

Who else was going to get it?
The only other option here is Ford - or perhaps Toyota.

Anything else would require huge startup costs - far exceeding anything the grant was offering.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #132 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 9:22pm

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1305725981/120#123 date=1306058617][quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1305725981/120#120 date=1306058484][quote author=it_is_the_light link=1305725981/105#119 date=1306058325]why should any be suprised with weekenders responses?

this one denies that magnetic energy is free

and regards sticky tape as free energy to boot...

the guys' mind is footloose on the dancefloor that is painted

upon a checkerboard black and white canvass called insanity

with forgiveness and an abundance of non judgemental observational

aspectual interpretation

eternal blessings and forgiveness for freemasonics and or simple

minds

[/quote]

I won't forgive Longweekend until he thanks Nail.
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grow a set, you big girl.[/quote]

Longweekend.
You grow a set - old lady.
You come here bagging every piece of new technology
when you don't even understand it.
You're a whinging, whining loser.

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #133 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 9:57pm

Life_goes_on wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:41pm:

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We got ripped off !! Any small fossil fool car would fit that description and yet only Holden got the grant. What a scam

Who else was going to get it?
The only other option here is Ford - or perhaps Toyota.

Anything else would require huge startup costs - far exceeding anything the grant was offering.

this dude didn't get it and he can still make EV's in his back yard workshop but Holden has trouble making one even with 200 million in gov handouts

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Re: Breakthrough Solar sheet captures 90 % of sunlight
Reply #134 - May 22^nd, 2011 at 10:08pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:25am:

they talk sunlight so what happens when there is no sunlight?..winertime some countries see very little sunlight..even in Canberra we have our days..do they still capture the sun heat though it cant be felt or seen?

There are things called batteries you know Wink

And do we ignore sunlight and heat energy during the day just because it is not available 24 hours a day ?? It's not an all or nothing solution.

yeah I have heard of them.... something funny about batteries they always fade at the wrong moment..mine would burn out about 8pm...

however are not batteries a pollutant in their own right? and almost impossible to get rid of.and would we have to have a huge one attached to the roof as well.. just asking as I like to get a mental picture...

rusty are you driving the Great wall yet???

havent seen many

especially those batteries in every fossil fool car on the planet. But that doesn't count does it as long as some shareholder in some oil company profits out of it Wink

and I got a car. don't need another one. cost me enough as it is. I paid $1.58 for PULP the other day Sad

Not cheap are they. Got any ideas of how I can reduce the costs of running my fossil fool vehicle since you libbos are always obsessed by the cost of renewable energy !!

You could convert it to run on methane and derive it from the crap that you frequently spew.

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