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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #45 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:12am

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Well i think Bob Browns words do that. Does he say that he would like to see a phase out of coal while being replaced with other industries?

Not that i see jame-e. His first attempt - "a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas"
Then he trys "take the advice of the Treasury...through a super profits tax"

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...the world is trying to move towards being carbon neutral...

jame-e, what do you mean by "carbon neutral" ?

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...the world is trying to phase out coal

China would buy all of Australia's coal mines if it could - it has already tried. Coal still has a bright future around the sensible parts of the world.

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #46 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:21am

jame-e wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:39pm:

In a broader sense, the world is trying to move towards being carbon neutral.

And who WOULD of thought ...

Little Britain's 50 per cent plan for giant carbon cut makes ours look tiny

Malcolm Farr
May 18, 2011

*UK Conservatives approve 50 per cent carbon cut

*Australia's agrees to tiny five per cent cut by 2020

*Countries taking climate change seriously - Combet

BRITAIN'S Tory Prime Minister David Cameron has approved a savage reduction in carbon pollution which makes the Australian target look puny.

The British coalition government today agreed to a 50 per cent cut in emissions by 2025, and the plan has the backing of the nation's industry leaders.

In Australia there is a target agreed to by Labor and the Liberals for a five by 2020, and so far there is no government plan to achieve this.

Further, it is not possible to directly compare the economies and energy systems of the two countries.

However, Climate Change Minister Greg Combet didn't miss the opportunity and said today the British decision was "further evidence that countries around the world take climate change seriously''.

"The UK has been participating in emissions trading for nearly a decade and - in contrast to what (Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott would have you believe - the sky has not fallen,'' said Mr Combet.

http://www.news.com.au/national/little-britains-50-per-cent-plan-for-giant-carbo...

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #47 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:27am

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Well i think Bob Browns words do that. Does he say that he would like to see a phase out of coal while being replaced with other industries?

Uhlmann - Brown interview continues....

BOB BROWN: I'm sorry...

CHRIS UHLMANN: ..available to you.

BOB BROWN: I'm sorry, Chris, Treasury has no intention to shut the industry down. it tends to- it tends...

CHRIS UHLMANN: No, but you do.

BOB BROWN: No, I'm not.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Didn't you say back in 2007 that we had to kick the coal habit?

BOB BROWN: No, I did not. You're looking at the Murdoch press, where I said back in 2007 we should look at coal exports with a view to phasing them out down the line.

CHRIS UHLMANN: It wasn't the Murdoch press, it was a comment piece that you wrote. So you want to phase out the coal industry?

BOB BROWN: The world is going to do that because it is causing massive economic damage down the line through the impact of climate change.

CHRIS UHLMANN: But the question-

BOB BROWN: No, let me...

CHRIS UHLMANN: The simple question is how do you replace $50 billion worth of export income?

BOB BROWN: You go to renewables over the coming decades and you do that by exporting... Look, Germany did this. It's closed its coal mine. It's closing its nuclear power stations. It's gone into exporting renewables - including using Australian technology...

CHRIS UHLMANN: And those jobs...

BOB BROWN: It's created 350,000 jobs and a multibillion dollar export industry and Australia- China's going to have as many solar panels by 2020 as the whole world has now, using, again, a mission of technologies, including those from Australia while this country is captivated by the old polluting industries which are making climate change worse.

Now, we can do much better than that. This is a resource rich country. We should follow 37 other countries, take some of the money from those resource riches, put it into a sovereign fund and make sure this country can be educated, wealthy and wise into the future.

CHRIS UHLMANN: We're going to have to leave it there, thank you.

BOB BROWN: Thanks, Chris.

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #48 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:29am

Flying Binghi wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:12am:

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Well i think Bob Browns words do that. Does he say that he would like to see a phase out of coal while being replaced with other industries?

Not that i see jame-e. His first attempt - "a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas"
Then he trys "take the advice of the Treasury...through a super profits tax"

Quote:

...the world is trying to move towards being carbon neutral...

jame-e, what do you mean by "carbon neutral" ?

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...the world is trying to phase out coal

China would buy all of Australia's coal mines if it could - it has already tried. Coal still has a bright future around the sensible parts of the world.

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CHINA HAS COAL SEEMS THAT WOULD BURN FOR ETERNITY Cry

.... THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO YUCKY FOR STEEL PROCESSING !!!!

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #49 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:31am

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #51 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:36am

buzzanddidj wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:21am:

jame-e wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:39pm:

In a broader sense, the world is trying to move towards being carbon neutral.

And who WOULD of thought ...

Little Britain's 50 per cent plan for giant carbon cut makes ours look tiny

Malcolm Farr
May 18, 2011

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/05/18/1226058/449218-china-climate-cha...

*UK Conservatives approve 50 per cent carbon cut

*Australia's agrees to tiny five per cent cut by 2020

*Countries taking climate change seriously - Combet

BRITAIN'S Tory Prime Minister David Cameron has approved a savage reduction in carbon pollution which makes the Australian target look puny.

The British coalition government today agreed to a 50 per cent cut in emissions by 2025, and the plan has the backing of the nation's industry leaders.

In Australia there is a target agreed to by Labor and the Liberals for a five by 2020, and so far there is no government plan to achieve this.

Further, it is not possible to directly compare the economies and energy systems of the two countries.

However, Climate Change Minister Greg Combet didn't miss the opportunity and said today the British decision was "further evidence that countries around the world take climate change seriously''.

"The UK has been participating in emissions trading for nearly a decade and - in contrast to what (Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott would have you believe - the sky has not fallen,'' said Mr Combet.

http://www.news.com.au/national/little-britains-50-per-cent-plan-for-giant-carbo...

I THINK THIS IS WHY I ASKED TURNBULL TO PROMISE HE WOULD GO ANTINUCLEAR..... Shocked

NO POSTIVES THERE... BUT HE IS AWARE THERE ARE VOTES IN IT- POTENTIALLY ATLEAST! Wink

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #53 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:43am

jame-e wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:39pm:

Flying Binghi wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:20pm:

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But can anyone explain why Uhlmanns premise was not totally bogus.

jame-e, if you think the "premis" is "bogus" then you will have to prove yer claim.. Huh

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Well i think Bob Browns words do that. Does he say that he would like to see a phase out of coal while being replaced with other industries?
or does he say he wants the coal industry shut down tomorrow and is happy to see 50b dollars dissappear with it?

In a broader sense, the world is trying to move towards being carbon neutral. Unless the consumption of coal can be worked into that aim, than the world is trying to phase out coal.

Am i mistaken in my interpretation?

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #56 - May 19^th, 2011 at 12:48pm

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Oh dear, poor Bumbling Bob is having a bad week..

"A major meltdown by Greens leader Bob Brown at his press conference this morning. His obsession and anger with “the Murdoch press” is unnerving. But he also lashed out at - or treated with disdain - Chris Uhlmann of the ABC, Andrew Probyn of the West Australian and..."

continues - http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/brown_strain/

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #57 - May 19^th, 2011 at 6:04pm

Flying Binghi wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:12am:

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Well i think Bob Browns words do that. Does he say that he would like to see a phase out of coal while being replaced with other industries?

Not that i see jame-e. His first attempt - "a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas"
Then he trys "take the advice of the Treasury...through a super profits tax"

Well if the big miners he is talking about are majority overseas owned, than some of that money would be heading overseas.
I don't know about 'allot of that money', thats entirely relative.
Watch the rest of the interview to gain a better understanding of what Bob Brown was trying to say.

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...the world is trying to move towards being carbon neutral...

jame-e, what do you mean by "carbon neutral" ?

Exactly what carbon neutral means. To me it means Trying to ensure our consumption does not add to the current volume of co2 in the atmosphere. And possibly in time trying to lower that volume.
Maybe i underestimated, maybe the ultimate goal is to totally remove all anthropogenic carbon emissions, but i doubt it.

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the world is trying to phase out coal

China would buy all of Australia's coal mines if it could - it has already tried. Coal still has a bright future around the sensible parts of the world.

Even given your distortion in quoting:
So you believe china to be sensible then? They are currently/will be trialing carbon trading schemes in various parts of their country.
They have also clearly demonstrated an understanding that they need to alter their practices. In part due to the fact that they have severely depleted and poisoned their country, in part due to the possibility that they may infact be sensible.
Do you somehow think that Bob Brown is unaware of the obvious? that people will continue to want and consume coal regardless of what he thinks or Australia does?

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Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30
Reply #58 - May 19^th, 2011 at 6:22pm

NO ONE can deny the illigitimacy of

"The Australian's"

- so called -

UteGate

campaign, in

"cahoots"

with

Malcolm Turnbull

, in attempt to politically assassinate an elected Prime Minister

FAKE emails

(supplied by Turnnbull
) and all

A DISGRACEFUL episode in this country's history

Turnbull could have been PM, now, if he were not SO seduced by Rupert Murdoch (in the desert)

So I GUESS

i

Brown ....

... is CORRECT - in his assessment

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