gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8
th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 8
th, 2011 at 1:15pm:
CORRECTION....
Yadda wrote on Jun 8
th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
But, in support of their claim of ISLAM's tolerance, devout muslims will often quote the Koran verse;
"Let there be no compulsion in religion....."
Koran 2.256
Mohammed wrote that verse during his
Medina Mecca period. <---CORRECTION
That sounds fair Yadda.....
would YOU convert to another religion (other than Christianity) under the threat of violence or compulsion???Most devout people wouldn't...
No.
But i can understand why some would.
But, imo, they would be making a wrong, and immoral choice.
A poor choice.
Mark 8:35
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?i
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 8
th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
and Mohammed was saying no religion (including Islam) should forcibly convert people to follow that religion...
Which means all the muslims who are running around trying to force people to worship Islam are in violation ot the rules OF Islam....
Doesn't THAT sound like some Muslims have lost the 'true path'????
gizmo,
Yes, many moslems are certainly off 'the path' !
gizmo,
So, what you are saying is that i'm mistaken.
And that in my error, that i am thereby,
terribly 'misrepresenting' and slandering ISLAM ???
Because most moslems are moderate, and ISLAM is good, and misunderstood by people such as myself ???
+++
gizmo is very knowledgeable about ISLAM.
/sarc off
gismo knows more about ISLAM than even the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia [the ISLAMIC equivalent of
'The Archbishop of Canterbury' in Saudi Arabia]...
Quote:
Creed of the sword
Islam has to accept that its militants find support for violence in their faith's teachings and should pursue reform, writes Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence:
...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
...The resulting doctrine of war was described by the great medieval philosopher Ibn Khaldun: "In the Muslim community, the holy war (jihad) is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and the (obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." (The Muqaddimah)
So gizmo, our options [offered by our would-be moslem 'benefactors'] are, that we can surrender to moslems, and be the slaves of moslems.
Otherwise, moslems are totally justified [by Allah] in making war upon us 'unbelievers'.
Well, i say,
LETS SURRENDER TO MOSLEMS!
...so that we can all enjoy the promised peace that will assuredly follow our surrender to our would-be moslem 'benefactors'./sarc off
e.g. #2,
Quote:
Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'
gizmo,
You are either deceived,
OR, you are a willing deceiver.
[...to me you seem like an apostate moslem, who still wishes to defend your cultural roots ???]
You are certainly acting as an apologist for 'moderate' ISLAM.
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