Bobby. wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 2:05pm:





If that is true bobby, then God must have had a personality transplant, when he established his new, 'perfect' religion, ISLAM.

Compare how the God of the Jews expresses himself, with how the God of ISLAM expresses himself.

Do you claim that they are the same God?



e.g.


The treatment of strangers ['unbelievers'] under the law of Moses;

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19

For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger

, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18  But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...




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Whereas,



"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 3.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 4.144

"O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him."
Koran 9.123

"Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment."
Koran 18.102

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other......"
Koran 48.029

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
Koran 9.073
Koran 66.009

"Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 002.216





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You say that....



bobby,

No matter how sincerely you say it, that doesn't make it so.

Google;
a different god allah

Google;
allah another god

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 2:42pm:


YES Yadda..it IS the same 'god'...it's just 3 different books..written by people with three different opinions.

In all of human history (200,000+ years) only THREE religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have adopted the concept of a 'one god'....all the others have a pantheon...so, like many other things in human society, they ARE related..just a slight difference of opinion as to the message..

If you do a little research into the root (basic) tenets, you find they weren't that different to start with...all the variations occured long after the original texts were written...Indeed, some variations have occurred within the last hundred years or so..

The King James version of the New Testament is very different to the original, due to literacy and problems with translation from aramaic to latin to english..

Language evolves, all the time.....'gay' used to mean happy and carefree, now it means homosexual...that's just one example..

Words and terms used in a book written 1400yrs, or 2000yrs or even 3500 yrs ago don't have the same meaning NOW that they did THEN....
And that doesn't include deliberate modifications for political or
doctrinal reasons..Like the fact that Mary (the mother of jesus) WASN'T a virgin, until the 11th Century, and Christ wasn't born in December, he was born around May/June/July...December was a pagan spring festival that was taken over..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:




gizmo,

According to you the Bible contents were forever being 'revised'.

But actually, the recent historic discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, has poo poo-ed such assertions, made by those wishing to discredit ancient biblical texts.




Here is something i came across recently...

Quote:


Google it.






So, a copy of the Isaiah book from before Christ's time, is 'technically' identical to copies that were available in the middle ages.

That sort of demolishes your "all the variations occured long after the original texts were written" argument, doesn't is gizmo ?

Yadda.
If that is true bobby, then God must have had a personality transplant, when he established Quote:


I don't believe in the Abrahamic god & neither do I believe in
the sun god or the sea god or the moon god.
It's all bronze age myths designed to control simpletons.

Back to the topic:
Do you agree with the policy of Israel murdering Palestinians
who try to cross the Golan heights?

Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 10:22pm:

Soren, Islam is no more a violent evil etc etc than any other religion is..the fact that a small bunch of loonies are hiding in, and using Islam to further an anti-western agenda, doesn't mean the ENTIRE religion works that way..Through history, many groups have used religions to promote self-serving and/or political ideals that were the opposite of the actual tenets of the religion..

Soren,
Quote:


Rubbish.
Most Muslims just want to live a peaceful life like everyone else.
Their religion has been hijacked by a few extremists.
They are back in the days of 1500 years ago.
We got rid of the same nonsense when the catholic church lost it's power
with their inquisition.

The point is that all Abrahamic religion is part of a death cult.
Read Deut 13:13 if you don't believe me.
And - if crucifying a man in his underpants is not about
a dealth cult then what is?

Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:11pm:




You are exactly correct soren.



It is actually a crime, punishable by death, for a moslem to try to reform ISLAM.

Why so ???

Because all good moslems consider ISLAM, to be Allah's [already] perfect religion.

Ergo, the moslem 'logic' which is applied;



i.e.
All good moslems 'know' that ISLAM is Allah's [already] perfect religion, in exactly the same way that all good moslems 'know' that the words of the Koran were all spoken by Allah, and that therefore the Koran is inerrant [without error].

Q.
And HOW do moslems know these things ?????????

A.
Because ISLAM, says so!!!!!

DUH!!!




Typically those moslems who do want to reform ISLAM, are always accused of the crime of wanting 'innovation',
...i.e. of wanting to change ISLAM.

'Innovation', being the 'guilty' 'code word' used within ISLAM, to accuse and smear, those who would reform ISLAM.



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