Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 11^th, 2011 at 10:20am:


You people have no shame in the level you will stoop to to try and vilify people you disagree with. How can A JEW be an ANTI SEMITE? You smacking moron

What the hell is this thread doing as a sticky anyway>? It's already regressed into 9/11 Truth woo, hardly bodes well for it being some kind of intellectually stimulating discussion so important that it needs to stay on page 1.

It's interesting that Bin Laden denied the attacks at all - it was this action that cemented his notoriety. Before that he was an inconvenience.

As for Saddam - he would still be alive today if he allowed the weapon inspectors to come in and made a mockery out of the US that way. Instead choosing to take the other path. Mind you he had 10 years to think about it.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 11:57am:


It is not uncommon for buildings to collapse into their own footprint. When buildings are being demolished deliberately it makes perfect sense to optimise this outcome. In the case of the twin towers it's absolutely reasonable that this outcome eventuated. Gravity pulls downwards directly, not off to one side. The base of the building was cavernous and so it shouldn't surprise anybody that that is where the rubble ended up.  Pictures from Earthquakes and blitzes show that most of the buildings fell into their own footprint.

I mean, let's just have the first page full of important topics.

No-one has responded to the "notes on starting new topics" since November.

The extremist thread could sit anywhere.

I'm more interested in politics than "important toics" which one rarely looks at.

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 6:46pm:

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There's a disconnect between going to war against Hussein on a pretext in order to secure Iraq'a oil supplies for America and blowing up the heartland of American capitalism.

Surely if George Bush was going to mount a black op. to start a global war on terror his target would've been some expendable poor people?

Grey wrote on Jun 21^st, 2011 at 12:25am:


The owner of the WTC made billions from the attacks......The American Government has secured 1/3 of the worlds oil supplies......The people who died where poor compared to the amount of money the attacks generated for individual vested interests at taxpayers expense....It is not as if the American government has not done it before is it???


By Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon


Thirty years ago, it all seemed very clear.

"American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression", announced a Washington Post headline on Aug. 5, 1964.

That same day, the front page of the New York Times reported: "President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and 'certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam' after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin."

But there was no "second attack" by North Vietnam — no "renewed attacks against American destroyers." By reporting official claims as absolute truths, American journalism opened the floodgates for the bloody Vietnam War.

A pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media...leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.

The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" against a U.S. destroyer on "routine patrol" in the Tonkin Gulf on Aug. 2 — and that North Vietnamese PT boats followed up with a "deliberate attack" on a pair of U.S. ships two days later.

The truth was very different.

Rather than being on a routine patrol Aug. 2, the U.S. destroyer Maddox was actually engaged in aggressive intelligence-gathering maneuvers — in sync with coordinated attacks on North Vietnam by the South Vietnamese navy and the Laotian air force.

"The day before, two attacks on North Vietnam...had taken place," writes scholar Daniel C. Hallin. Those assaults were "part of a campaign of increasing military pressure on the North that the United States had been pursuing since early 1964."

On the night of Aug. 4, the Pentagon proclaimed that a second attack by North Vietnamese PT boats had occurred earlier that day in the Tonkin Gulf — a report cited by President Johnson as he went on national TV that evening to announce a momentous escalation in the war: air strikes against North Vietnam.

But Johnson ordered U.S. bombers to "retaliate" for a North Vietnamese torpedo attack that never happened.



http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=428

Dnarever wrote on Jun 21^st, 2011 at 10:33pm:



3 buildings had simultaneous structural failure on the same day when no building before or after has collapsed in the same manner without controlled demolition......I fail to see where this question has ever been answered???

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963), "Proper Studies", 1927