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Reply #30 - May 7th, 2011 at 11:37pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
As the Dutch were not Muslims, yes the Maccassans.

But the situation can be applied wholesale to every land that Muslims ever travelled to. They never eradicated or colonised or subjugated local populations, they treated them as equals and offered them membership of the Islamic Caliphate.


You really need to educate yourself. Here is a good starting place:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

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Reply #31 - May 10th, 2011 at 10:17am
 
Belgarion wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:37pm:
abu_rashid wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
As the Dutch were not Muslims, yes the Maccassans.

But the situation can be applied wholesale to every land that Muslims ever travelled to. They never eradicated or colonised or subjugated local populations, they treated them as equals and offered them membership of the Islamic Caliphate.


You really need to educate yourself. Here is a good starting place:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade



lol...the Maccassans were arabs?? And you reckon he needs an education. Here's a bit of a hint...next time before you make yourself foolish...do some research. And try a book.....it can do wonders for those with 'limited' abilities such as yourself.

Oh...and under arab rule, slaves often achieved great heights, to the point of becoming rulers themselves (Mameluks/Seljuk Turks). Compare this to the lot of slaves in the US and the west....

I think its you who needs educating.
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Reply #32 - May 10th, 2011 at 7:01pm
 
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Compare this to the lot of slaves in the US and the west...


Which is?
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Reply #33 - May 10th, 2011 at 7:01pm
 
Abu is this why you got banned from that Islam site - because of your support of OBL?
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Reply #34 - May 11th, 2011 at 7:20pm
 
Abu, they said on the radio that Osama had six wives. Is this western propaganda?
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Reply #35 - May 11th, 2011 at 7:50pm
 
Lestat wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 10:17am:
Belgarion wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:37pm:
abu_rashid wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
As the Dutch were not Muslims, yes the Maccassans.

But the situation can be applied wholesale to every land that Muslims ever travelled to. They never eradicated or colonised or subjugated local populations, they treated them as equals and offered them membership of the Islamic Caliphate.


You really need to educate yourself. Here is a good starting place:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade



lol...the Maccassans were arabs?? And you reckon he needs an education. Here's a bit of a hint...next time before you make yourself foolish...do some research. And try a book.....it can do wonders for those with 'limited' abilities such as yourself.

Oh...and under arab rule, slaves often achieved great heights, to the point of becoming rulers themselves (Mameluks/Seljuk Turks). Compare this to the lot of slaves in the US and the west....

I think its you who needs educating.


Where have I claimed the Macassans were Arabs and what is the point of your comment anyway?  Seems you are trying to get off topic as you have no comeback to the truths I have illustrated.

If you truly believe that the muslims never eradicated or colonised the local populations of the lands they invaded then you really have been brainwashed by the dark age cult you support. Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - May 11th, 2011 at 8:18pm
 
Belgarion, according to Abu they all willingly 'reverted' to Islam, without the need to kill any of them for paganism.
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Reply #37 - May 11th, 2011 at 11:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 9:58pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 9:30pm:
He has to Bobby .. coz the truth is too much to take.


Hi Lisa,
He drives me crazy.

" Quote:
If anyone dies in Iraq it has to be the Yanks who did it
"

We all know that Muslims made bombs & blew up
innocent people by the hundreds every day in Iraq -
even outside Mosques!

I do know that the embargo on Iraq killed over 100,000 people
due to the lack of supplies of plumbing pipes etc. to ensure safe water.
That was a mistake of the United Nations & Saddam -  who was always
making life hard for the WMD inspectors.
He ran a cat & mouse game for 10 years.
Once again - Abu says - that was the Yanks who did it -
re-writing history to always put the Yanks in a bad light.


A little reminder to Abu about history -
the Yanks saved us from being invaded by the Japs in WW2.
We only exist because of the Yanks.


Notice Abu never commented on the above.

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Reply #38 - May 12th, 2011 at 9:21am
 
Belgarion wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
Where have I claimed the Macassans were Arabs and what is the point of your comment anyway?  Seems you are trying to get off topic as you have no comeback to the truths I have illustrated.



Abu made a statement abou Macassan traders, and then you reply with a wiki on the arab slave trade. Your implication was clear. If you were not making this claim, then why post a link on arabs, when the discussion was clearly in regards to Macassans.

As to combacks to the 'truths' you have posted...they need to be 'truths' in the first place. We have all seen your fantasies that you believe to be 'truths'.

Belgarion wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
If you truly believe that the muslims never eradicated or colonised the local populations of the lands they invaded then you really have been brainwashed by the dark age cult you support. Roll Eyes


The truth is in the pudding. Communities in muslim conquered lands have survived to this very day. There are Berbers in North Africa...Copts in Egypt, Christian and Jewish in the middle east.

300 years after Egypt was conquered, 50% of the population were still Christian.

When muslims conquered Jerusalam, they were welcomed as liberators...by jews and Christians alike. Compare this to the crusader conquest a few hundred years later, where Jews/Christians and muslims were all slaughtered by the European animals. I guess a leopard just cannot change its spots hey.

I suggest you learn a thing or two and read about Cordoba...which Jews themselves describe as the golden age of their civilisation.....occurred under muslim rule.

To this day, Churches, Synagogues and hindu temples survive in areas conquered by muslims...the same cannot be said about Christianity.

All cultures not only survived...but in fact flourished under Islamic rule. Indian, Jewish, Persian, Turk just to name a few.

I think your confused...it is a fact that Christianity is the cult that has eradicated every people and culture it has conquered. From the Saxon crusades in the dark ages (how many Druids or Tree temples survived the Christians Scourge)....to the Conquisitors wiping out the Aztecs/Omnecs and other South American cultures. From the inquisition...to the crusades. Crusades in the middle east, the Albegensian crusades, crusades against the Cathars....heck, they even tried and almost succeeded in wiping out Jews. Nearly all cultures that were unfortunate enought to cross paths with the Christians were all but destroyed...American Indian,  Aboriginal amongst many others.

Actually...I challenge you to name one culture...just one that was not destroyed by the Christian Barbarians.

Go on...just one?

Unfortunately for you....a simple look at history, and your lies can easily be exposed.
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Reply #39 - May 12th, 2011 at 9:22am
 
freediver wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:20pm:
Abu, they said on the radio that Osama had six wives. Is this western propaganda?


I know your not to bright FD...but I'm sure even you can figure this one out.

Or can you?
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Reply #40 - May 12th, 2011 at 9:23am
 
freediver wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 7:01pm:
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Compare this to the lot of slaves in the US and the west...


Which is?



lol@Freediver.
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Reply #41 - May 12th, 2011 at 9:24am
 
freediver wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 7:01pm:
Abu is this why you got banned from that Islam site - because of your support of OBL?


How sad an existence you must lead. Trolling Islamic sites to see why Abu was/is banned.

Don't you have a life of your own?
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Reply #42 - May 12th, 2011 at 9:27am
 
freediver wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:18pm:
Belgarion, according to Abu they all willingly 'reverted' to Islam, without the need to kill any of them for paganism.


So all those remaining Christians and Jews that survived under 1200 years of Islamic rule...why didn't they 'revert'...if they were all forced, as you believe???

300 years after Egypt was conquered....approx. 50% of the population were still Christian. This is an undisputed fact, accepted by all historians.

How do you explain this FD...if all were 'forced to convert' as you believe.

I suggest you do some reading. It is Christianity and the west that has tried to destroy every culture it came in contact with.
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Reply #43 - May 12th, 2011 at 9:31am
 
BobbyTheBat....let me get this straight.

Are you claiming that the Americans have not been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's?

From the thousands upon thousands of bombs droped on Iraq by the US...to the sanctions...and you really don't think the US is responsible.

Really?
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Reply #44 - May 12th, 2011 at 1:39pm
 
Lestat wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 9:21am:
Belgarion wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
Where have I claimed the Macassans were Arabs and what is the point of your comment anyway?  Seems you are trying to get off topic as you have no comeback to the truths I have illustrated.



Abu made a statement abou Macassan traders, and then you reply with a wiki on the arab slave trade. Your implication was clear. If you were not making this claim, then why post a link on arabs, when the discussion was clearly in regards to Macassans.

As to combacks to the 'truths' you have posted...they need to be 'truths' in the first place. We have all seen your fantasies that you believe to be 'truths'.

Belgarion wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
If you truly believe that the muslims never eradicated or colonised the local populations of the lands they invaded then you really have been brainwashed by the dark age cult you support. Roll Eyes


The truth is in the pudding. Communities in muslim conquered lands have survived to this very day. There are Berbers in North Africa...Copts in Egypt, Christian and Jewish in the middle east.

300 years after Egypt was conquered, 50% of the population were still Christian.

When muslims conquered Jerusalam, they were welcomed as liberators...by jews and Christians alike. Compare this to the crusader conquest a few hundred years later, where Jews/Christians and muslims were all slaughtered by the European animals. I guess a leopard just cannot change its spots hey.

I suggest you learn a thing or two and read about Cordoba...which Jews themselves describe as the golden age of their civilisation.....occurred under muslim rule.

To this day, Churches, Synagogues and hindu temples survive in areas conquered by muslims...the same cannot be said about Christianity.

All cultures not only survived...but in fact flourished under Islamic rule. Indian, Jewish, Persian, Turk just to name a few.

I think your confused...it is a fact that Christianity is the cult that has eradicated every people and culture it has conquered. From the Saxon crusades in the dark ages (how many Druids or Tree temples survived the Christians Scourge)....to the Conquisitors wiping out the Aztecs/Omnecs and other South American cultures. From the inquisition...to the crusades. Crusades in the middle east, the Albegensian crusades, crusades against the Cathars....heck, they even tried and almost succeeded in wiping out Jews. Nearly all cultures that were unfortunate enought to cross paths with the Christians were all but destroyed...American Indian,  Aboriginal amongst many others.

Actually...I challenge you to name one culture...just one that was not destroyed by the Christian Barbarians.

Go on...just one?

Unfortunately for you....a simple look at history, and your lies can easily be exposed.


Yes Abu mentioned Macassan traders, and went on to say "But the situation can be applied wholesale to every land that Muslims ever travelled to." So make sure you read your masters posts correctly before leaping to his defence.

I find it amusing that muslim apologists must look back to the crusades to find examples of western mass brutality, yet I only have to look at the news each night to see yet another muslim atrocity somewhere in the world.

And if you are so concerned about 'christian' exploitation of aboriginals, why do you live in Australia reaping the benefits of that exploitation?

Hypocrisy  thy name is Lestat
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