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Reply #90 - May 26^th, 2011 at 11:07pm

Amadd wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 9:41am:

After reading Netanyahu's speech, I'm convinced that the religious need to understand the meaning of atheism.
That guy will go down in history as the most useless character since Jesus Christ.
He is an an infant in the eyes of humanity; a moron in the eyes of infants.

He keeps repeating that he and the jewish doctrine are better than anything else on the face of the earth.
They may not believe it, but the rest of the world believes that God never told them that they were the "chosen race".

WHen Frederick II asked his court chaplain for a proof of god, the chaplian simply said, "The jews, Sire".

WHat he meant was that there is no way the jews could have survived until then without a god. None of the ancient tribes mentioned in the OT have.

That was in the 18th century.i

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Reply #91 - May 27^th, 2011 at 6:55am

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 11:02pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 6:07am:

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2011 at 9:38pm:

The Birth of Religion
We used to think agriculture gave rise to cities and later to writing, art, and religion. Now the world’s oldest temple suggests the urge to worship sparked civilization.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text/1

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I don't believe just 'cos ideas are tenacious, it means they are worthy

Yet he's looking forward to Christmas.

The guy is as confused as any other guitar-strumming perpetual adolescent.

You crusty ole bugger!

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #92 - May 27^th, 2011 at 7:19am Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 11:07pm: WHat he meant was that there is no way the jews could have survived until then without a god. None of the ancient tribes mentioned in the OT have. Yeah, there's that... oh and the ancient Jewish predilection towards killing them all.
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Reply #93 - May 27^th, 2011 at 7:34am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 7:19am:

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 11:07pm:

WHat he meant was that there is no way the jews could have survived until then without a god. None of the ancient tribes mentioned in the OT have.

Yeah, there's that... oh and the ancient Jewish predilection towards killing them all. Wink

Wonder how many "Jews" today bear the genes of Semites?

Had my DNA 'mapped' some time ago and discovered I was likely more genetically Celt on one side of the family than the other (who are cultural 'Celts' from Ireland).

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Reply #94 - May 27^th, 2011 at 10:49am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 7:19am:

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 11:07pm:

WHat he meant was that there is no way the jews could have survived until then without a god. None of the ancient tribes mentioned in the OT have.

Yeah, there's that... oh and the ancient Jewish predilection towards killing them all. Wink

Wonder how many "Jews" today bear the genes of Semites?

Had my DNA 'mapped' some time ago and discovered I was likely more genetically Celt on one side of the family than the other (who are cultural 'Celts' from Ireland).

What was the other side? Iberian? Apparently there was quite a link between Ireland and the Iberian peninsula, best traced by some music but also by genetics (black Irish). ANd with an Iberian connection, who know? mebbe even (ahem), you know, marrano connection.
Or Viking/Danish.
Or, god forbid, English??

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Reply #95 - May 27^th, 2011 at 8:24pm

Soren wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 7:19am:

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 11:07pm:

WHat he meant was that there is no way the jews could have survived until then without a god. None of the ancient tribes mentioned in the OT have.

Yeah, there's that... oh and the ancient Jewish predilection towards killing them all. Wink

Wonder how many "Jews" today bear the genes of Semites?

Had my DNA 'mapped' some time ago and discovered I was likely more genetically Celt on one side of the family than the other (who are cultural 'Celts' from Ireland).

What was the other side? Iberian? Apparently there was quite a link between Ireland and the Iberian peninsula, best traced by some music but also by genetics (black Irish). ANd with an Iberian connection, who know? mebbe even (ahem), you know, marrano connection.
Or Viking/Danish.
Or, god forbid, English??

Ironically (at least in terms of cultural identity) the side that identified as Celtic (being Irish) were descended from migrating peoples from the Urals. The side that (genetically) are Celtic lived in central Europe, which is not really surprising given central Europe is the "ancestral home" of the Celts. This side (genetic Celts), did not identify as Celts or anyone from Britain/Ireland and probably didn't for hundreds (if not for more than a thousand) years.

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Reply #96 - May 27^th, 2011 at 8:40pm

I have empathy with what you say. The folklore in my family is that we are descendants of a French knight from the 15th or 16th century (complete with matching coat of arms) or an (ahem) Armenian pharmacist from the same period. Bookish and adventurous family members lean according to type. Some of us a ruddy and fair, some more , er, easily bronzed.

The other contribitors to the bloodline over roughly 30 generations since the 16th century are only occasionally identified. For all I know, I could be a ... but no, better not think of that....

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Reply #97 - May 28^th, 2011 at 4:06am

Soren wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

I have empathy with what you say. The folklore in my family is that we are descendants of a French knight from the 15th or 16th century (complete with matching coat of arms) or an (ahem) Armenian pharmacist from the same period. Bookish and adventurous family members lean according to type. Some of us a ruddy and fair, some more , er, easily bronzed.

The other contribitors to the bloodline over roughly 30 generations since the 16th century are only occasionally identified. For all I know, I could be a ... but no, better not think of that....

Yeah, there's the family mythology, there's genealogy - who bore whom... who sired whom - often from what the clerical scribes of Parish records deemed true... And then there's DNA... From what I've read and been told, it's a bit of a lucky break for the family-roots hound if those three ducks line up!

Something that may haunt Prince Harry for the rest of his life!

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #98 - May 28^th, 2011 at 10:01pm ooooooh unkind! I 'd take Prince Harry over William any day. Perhaps that proves the point.! And he does look like Diana , to an extent, though not as pronounced as William. In fact, its pretty hard to see Charles in either of them!!
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Reply #99 - May 28^th, 2011 at 10:07pm

My ROOTS are UK and France - as far as I can find - but - records don't show the name of my grandfather - on my mother's side.

Though she was born in London, I only know where and when. Not who her father was. Thats a real bugger.!!

My fathers family trace back to a nobleman in King Charles 1? ( the Cavalier spaniel King) reign. wow what a way to be remembered?

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #100 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 6:31am

Sappho wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:11am:

If actions speak louder than words, then the Atheist Foundation of Australia definitely view their organisation as a religion.

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In Australia the Atheist Foundation of Australia formally complained of religious discrimination to the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission after being refused permission to put atheist advertising on buses. The offensive signs were to read: "Atheism — celebrate reason". APN Outdoor refused to run the ads, giving no reason for their refusal. The Atheist Foundation and Metro Tasmania reached a deal after conciliation was ordered by the Office of the Anti-Discrimination Commissioner. The signs will begin appearing on Tasmanian buses in 2010.* In March 2010, buses started carrying atheist signs in Melbourne.

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No. It6 is not. It is simply knowledge, not a bgelief system, knowledge. There is no God, end of knowledge. Pretty simple stuff really. Too simple for the braian dead and washed.

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Reply #101 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 12:17pm

boogieman wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 6:31am:

Sappho wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:11am:

If actions speak louder than words, then the Atheist Foundation of Australia definitely view their organisation as a religion.

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In Australia the Atheist Foundation of Australia formally complained of religious discrimination to the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission after being refused permission to put atheist advertising on buses. The offensive signs were to read: "Atheism — celebrate reason". APN Outdoor refused to run the ads, giving no reason for their refusal. The Atheist Foundation and Metro Tasmania reached a deal after conciliation was ordered by the Office of the Anti-Discrimination Commissioner. The signs will begin appearing on Tasmanian buses in 2010.* In March 2010, buses started carrying atheist signs in Melbourne.

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No. It6 is not. It is simply knowledge, not a bgelief system, knowledge. There is no God, end of knowledge. Pretty simple stuff really. Too simple for the braian dead and washed.

If it is not a religion, why is the AFA using religious discrimination laws to assert their right to post religious doctrine?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #102 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 1:23pm Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 12:17pm: If it is not a religion, why is the AFA using religious discrimination laws to assert their right to post religious doctrine? For the cynical convenience of anti-theists.
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Reply #104 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 2:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 12:17pm:

If it is not a religion, why is the AFA using religious discrimination laws to assert their right to post religious doctrine?

For the cynical convenience of anti-theists.

No. There is more to it than that. The AFA is abusing the rights of others so that they may dishonestly secure gains. Equally, the AFA is abusing values by not pursuing their right, and subsequently every one's right to freedom of thought and speech.

If they are not a religion, then they are dishonest and an abuser of rights.

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