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Reply #105 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 2:57pm

Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 12:17pm:

If it is not a religion, why is the AFA using religious discrimination laws to assert their right to post religious doctrine?

For the cynical convenience of anti-theists.

If they are not a religion, then they are dishonest and an abuser of rights.

Yeah... What? You think cynics won't lie to get their way? They are anti-theists, not just atheists, and it appears they are certain that their ends justifies their means.

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Reply #106 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 3:36pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 2:57pm:

Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 2:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 12:17pm:

If it is not a religion, why is the AFA using religious discrimination laws to assert their right to post religious doctrine?

For the cynical convenience of anti-theists.

If they are not a religion, then they are dishonest and an abuser of rights.

Yeah... What? You think cynics won't lie to get their way? They are anti-theists, not just atheists, and it appears they are certain that their ends justifies their means.

Abusing the rights of others to gain what is not rightfully yours to have, is more than just lying.

Otherwise, I am not a fan of anti theism... And what is anti theism by their reckoning anyways... if not a means of further abuses, ridicules and hate speaking.

You can disagree and dispute without abuse or ridicule entering discussions.

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Reply #107 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 6:04pm

Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

Otherwise, I am not a fan of anti theism... And what is anti theism by their reckoning anyways... if not a means of further abuses, ridicules and hate speaking.

While they have good cause to be suspicious of anyone who doesn't understand that conviction is the art of being certain, they should also consider that maybe they, with their anti-theism, and those chained to blind faith in theistic 'truth', stand at the opposite ends of the same arc, such that one is too close to the other to call any difference in their actions.

In other words, be careful of becoming the thing you hate.

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Reply #108 - Jun 26^th, 2011 at 8:57pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 6:04pm:

Sappho wrote on Jun 26^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

Otherwise, I am not a fan of anti theism... And what is anti theism by their reckoning anyways... if not a means of further abuses, ridicules and hate speaking.

While they have good cause to be suspicious of anyone who doesn't understand that conviction is the art of being certain, they should also consider that maybe they, with their anti-theism, and those chained to blind faith in theistic 'truth', stand at the opposite ends of the same arc, such that one is too close to the other to call any difference in their actions.

In other words, be careful of becoming the thing you hate.

As I consider myself an atheist, I'm eligible to add to this discussion, again.
Interesting ideas H and S - and this movement you speak of S - anti - theism ? er and you H - so we have anti-theists?

Hang on - I'll look it up in the dictionary............
Hmm -- Ok . a 'compound word' anti being the prefix that attaches to the element - in this case 'theism'.
Anti can cause the compound word to mean... opposed to OR opposite..... . Which leads me to think your compound word is to do with opposition to, ...rather than the 'state' of being other than a person who believes in God. IE an Atheist.

So - there are two distinctly different meanings to the word - anti-theism, or anti- theist! It also depends on whether or not you use a capital for the 'element' or not. Roll Eyes

So Sappho - can you clarify -?? - is 'theist' a term which you consider embraces religious theologies other than the BIG THREE? Is that why you even give thought to the concept of anti-t? What is the cause of angst??
Undecided

I am quite fascinated ..... never having been bitten by the God Bug, or Gene, if you like.

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Reply #109 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 8:30am

An "A" theist, ....meaning: "Not a Theist", has the very same meaning and understanding as an "Anti-Theist" for those who require everybody to understand things in exactly the same way that they do.

There is no distiguishment between meanings there. If you don't believe what they say, then you are an unbeliever....sound familiar?

Let's go a step further to say that being a believer of a different religion is far better than being an "Unbeliever".

Hence, the religious (of any creed/faith) are usually willing to fight where there is no fight forthcoming from those who don't find it so important to choose to attempt to live by any of the popular stories or legends.

This may all seem sort of logical until you consider that history has shown that there will always be a new entity to fear.
And if you had the choice, would you fear "God" who has power over all people, or would would you choose to fear your own government?

I choose to fear God.ii

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Reply #110 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 8:47am

Amadd wrote on Jun 27^th, 2011 at 8:30am:

An "A" theist, ....meaning: "Not a Theist", has the very same meaning and understanding as an "Anti-Theist" for those who require everybody to understand things in exactly the same way that they do.

That depends on the intention of the writer/speaker. An anti-theist can describe someone who, not happy with his own disbelief in the proposition that god exists (his atheism), is offended by, or (vehemently even) opposed to, the practise of theism and theists.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53199 At my desk.	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #111 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:09pm Quote: No. It6 is not. It is simply knowledge, not a bgelief system, knowledge. There is no God, end of knowledge. Pretty simple stuff really. Too simple for the braian dead and washed. Is that the extent of your knowledge boogieman? How do you 'know' this, other than taking it as a matter of faith?
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Reply #112 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:14pm

That IS what I said - isn't it?.
No - not fully.
There are two meanings - or 'interpretations' of the word.

So I don't agree Amadd, -- one CAN exist in a state of anti-?whatever..... without being maleficiently opposed to their opposite.

No Helian - your premise is even weirder - ? Roll Eyes

I'm not saying the only anti-theist is a person who is doubting their atheism,

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Reply #113 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:21pm

wrong button!! Angry

There are two meanings - or 'interpretations' of the word.

So I don't agree Amadd, -- one CAN exist in a state of anti-?whatever..... without being philosophically and maleficiently opposed to their opposite.

No Helian - your premise is even weirder - ? someone who, not happy with his own disbelief in the proposition that god exists (his atheism), is offended by, or (vehemently even) opposed to, the practise of theism and theists.

Truly convoluted - and essentially circular.

Is this really of any importance? Give a continental? NOPE
Just answering replies. So- its - sort of FUN. Grin

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #114 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:24pm

Emma wrote on Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

wrong button!! Angry

There are two meanings - or 'interpretations' of the word.

So I don't agree Amadd, -- one CAN exist in a state of anti-?whatever..... without being philosophically and maleficiently opposed to their opposite.

No Helian - your premise is even weirder - ? someone who, not happy with his own disbelief in the proposition that god exists (his atheism), is offended by, or (vehemently even) opposed to, the practise of theism and theists.

Truly convoluted - and essentially circular.

Is this really of any importance? Give a continental? NOPE
Just answering replies. So- its - sort of FUN. Grin

Atheist - One who disbelieves the proposition that god exists.

Anti-theist - One who is (actively) opposed to the practise of theism.

You better stay off the sherry.

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Reply #115 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:41pm

Atheist - One who disbelieves the proposition that god exists.

Anti-theist - One who is (actively) opposed to the practise of theism.
You better stay off the sherry.

Well Sherry (YUK) or not .....digress - do you LIKE sherry?......

Well cherie - I do not agree.

You use anti - (inclusive) as a noun.
I say
It IS ALSO a prefix, which modifies the element to which it is attached.!!
SO - anti can mean opposite - just as it can mean 'against'.

Is that clearer for you, and your ?? poison of choice????????

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #116 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:46pm

Emma wrote on Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

Atheist - One who disbelieves the proposition that god exists.

Anti-theist - One who is (actively) opposed to the practise of theism.
You better stay off the sherry.

Well Sherry (YUK) or not .....digress - do you LIKE sherry?......

Well cherie - I do not agree.

You use anti - (inclusive) as a noun.
I say
It IS ALSO a prefix, which modifies the element to which it is attached.!!
SO - anti can mean opposite - just as it can mean 'against'.

Is that clearer for you, and your ?? poison of choice????????

Funny that... How words can have y'know different meanings depending on their context Roll Eyes

As I am the writer, I use the term to distinguish atheists from those who actively oppose the practise/teaching of theism. Although it's not original... Certainly Christopher Hitchens describes himself as such to define his attitude towards theism which he describes as more than atheism.

Strictly beer for me these days... Had a mate who blew his liver on scotch.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Is Atheism a Religion? Reply #117 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 11:02pm Hmmmm - funny that! I recommend Red Wine.
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Reply #118 - Jun 27^th, 2011 at 11:02pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:46pm:

Emma wrote on Jun 27^th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

Atheist - One who disbelieves the proposition that god exists.

Anti-theist - One who is (actively) opposed to the practise of theism.
You better stay off the sherry.

Well Sherry (YUK) or not .....digress - do you LIKE sherry?......

Well cherie - I do not agree.

You use anti - (inclusive) as a noun.
I say
It IS ALSO a prefix, which modifies the element to which it is attached.!!
SO - anti can mean opposite - just as it can mean 'against'.

Is that clearer for you, and your ?? poison of choice????????

Funny that... How words can have y'know different meanings depending on their context Roll Eyes

As I am the writer, I use the term to distinguish atheists from those who actively oppose the practise/teaching of theism. Although it's not original... Certainly Christopher Hitchens describes himself as such to define his attitude towards theism which he describes as more than atheism.

Strictly beer for me these days... Had a mate who blew his liver on scotch.

Here's one for you...

If I said "You're fair"... What could I be referring to?

The colour of your hair?
The colour of you skin?
The quality of your intellect?
Your sense of justice?

Guess it would depend on, y'know, the context in which I used the the term.

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Reply #119 - Jun 28^th, 2011 at 7:39pm

I was having some nice chilli crab at Boat Quay, Singapore last night when a fortune teller approached. I bet she wished she didn't.

Tell my future? You don't even know my past! When was I last in Singapore - exact date - see - you don't know.

You can't tell the future and you know that perfectly well. Why don't you just get some flowers and sell those to diners instead? At least it's an honest job.

OK - make it $10.

You owe me $10 for good career advice........

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