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Reply #60 - May 1st, 2011 at 9:37am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 9:24am:
A lot of them probably deserve their pay more than you do.

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How do you work that one out?

I work pretty much 6 days a week and am responding to work things most sundays too.

Now how would an unemployed person, who by definition does NOT WORK, deserve more than me????

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Reply #61 - May 1st, 2011 at 9:46am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 9:37am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 9:24am:
A lot of them probably deserve their pay more than you do.

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How do you work that one out?

I work pretty much 6 days a week and am responding to work things most sundays too.

Now how would an unemployed person, who by definition does NOT WORK, deserve more than me????

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MORE than you?

How the smack do you work THAT out?

You accepted a $5k baby-bonus that you neither
needed NOR deserved.

That $5k is FOUR FRACKING MONTHS' worth
of 'benefit' for someone who is out of work.

And yet you begrudge them the ridiculous
pittance they DO get.

And THEN have the GALL to believe that YOU
should have the right to decide how they spend it.

Disgraceful.
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Re: Half On Disability Pension Should Get A Job.
Reply #62 - May 1st, 2011 at 9:49am
 
How do you work out that we didn't deserve a baby bonus?
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Reply #63 - May 1st, 2011 at 10:05am
 
They must delude themselves people are on the disability pension or the dole because they love it or something - you have to wonder what goes through the mind of the social darwinist persecutors sometimes. Huh  They are never happy unless they have somebody to dump on. Cool
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Reply #64 - May 1st, 2011 at 11:24am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 9:49am:
How do you work out that we didn't deserve a baby bonus?



How do you work out that the unemployed aren't entitled to
a fair rate of 'benefit'?

The presence or absence of $5k wouldn't even be
noticeable to someone on $200k+.

But it is, quite literally, the difference between life and death
to those who are genuinely deserving of welfare.

And who, at present, are NOT getting their FAIR SHARE.
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Reply #65 - May 1st, 2011 at 11:32am
 



If there were fewer barriers to employment for the disabled, then more of them would be working already!

Most disabled people aren't refusing work - they're simply not being offered any!  This applies to most of those who have been transferred from some other form of long-term welfare payment and effectively-'parked' on the DSP...

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Reply #66 - May 1st, 2011 at 11:53am
 
Equitist wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 11:32am:
If there were fewer barriers to employment for the disabled, then more of them would be working already!

Most disabled people aren't refusing work - they're simply not being offered any!  This applies to most of those who have been transferred from some other form of long-term welfare payment and effectively-'parked' on the DSP...


What a load of bull, disabled people are not working because they cant and in my own case its my employer and the Governments fault, it is work abuse related.  Quit trying to delude yourself you have a right to force the disabled to do anything because you are going to find yourself paying more for it in your hip pocket through the law suits.  You try to mess with me you pay for it and you will pay for it dearly that will give you something to whine about. Cool
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Reply #67 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:10pm
 
The government are saying they will create 500,000 new jobs. How will they do this? By making unemployed people enter training to get them off
dole queues. Why don't they just say there will be no more dole or disability pensions, instead everyone has to enter mandatory training, I mean that's essentially what this new scheme is anyway, why not just say it? They aren't creating 500,000 new jobs, they are creating 500,000
new training places.


I'm sure many of these people have taken the initiative to get re-trained all by themselves. Training does not = a job.

Why doesn't he tell the truth and say youth allowance for students is a whole lot less than the disability pension. Good one Wayne.
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Wayne Swan to push welfare recipients in new budget

WAYNE Swan will unveil a budget forecast of 500,000 new jobs on May 10, with welfare-to-work to form the centrepiece of his reform agenda.

Long-term unemployed and disability pensioners will be targeted with new requirements to engage in training, literacy programs and support to improve workforce participation.

Facing a deficit blowout of $50 billion sparked by plunging tax revenues, the cyclones and floods, the Budget will also confirm the states stand to lose $8 billion in GST revenue over the next five years as cautious consumers spend less.

But in an interview with the Sunday Mail, Mr Swan refused to be drawn on whether the Government would consider budget nasties such as tougher rules or a means test for the Medicare Safety Net, the cost of taxpayer-subsidised prescription medicine, or the cost of visiting a GP.

The Treasurer said the best policy the Government could adopt to help families with the cost of living was to ensure they had a job. "We think it's vital, given that we have such a strong pipeline of work coming through, that we do everything we can to ensure those people who have the capacity to work are in a position to take up the opportunities in the workforce," Mr Swan said.

"This Budget is really about jobs. It's about getting back into black, it's about getting more Australians into work," he said.

"And it's about spreading the opportunities of the boom. The Budget will forecast 500,000 new jobs between the March quarter of this year and the June quarter of 2013."

Mr Swan said this jobs growth was the reason why it was so important the Government honoured its pledge after the global financial crisis to return the Budget to surplus and put downward pressure on interest rates. "It is abundantly clear there are many who may, if they had the opportunities to get the skills to get the work experience, go into new jobs," he said.

"I've been focused very much on ensuring that Australians who have got the capacity to work can access opportunities to get a job." Mr Swan was not prepared to put a figure on how many Australians the Government expected would get a job and then no longer require welfare, but he conceded many people would require costly, intensive assistance.

"No, it's not possible to really put a final number on that. Their needs vary dramatically," he said.

Government sources have suggested the state of the Budget was so dire the Government had considered - and rejected - the sale of Medicare Private.

Mr Swan refused to be drawn on whether it had been considered after the election.

The Sunday Mail has confirmed the Expenditure Review Committee - the budget razor gang - considered and rejected means testing the 50 per cent childcare rebate on April 18.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/budget-to-push-welfare-to-work/story-e6frfm1i-1226047767163#ixzz1L3uFQdN7



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Reply #68 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:17pm
 
Equitist wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 11:32am:
If there were fewer barriers to employment for the disabled, then more of them would be working already!

Most disabled people aren't refusing work - they're simply not being offered any!  This applies to most of those who have been transferred from some other form of long-term welfare payment and effectively-'parked' on the DSP...




It also applies to MOST of the long-term unemployed,
ESPECIALLY those of mature-age.

You CANNOT get a job that isn't there, and you CANNOT get
a job when entrenched discrimination against older jobseekers
and the long-term unemployed is allowed to continue.

The problem is compounded due to the regular anti-unemployed
stories aired by the likes of ACA/TT, and the erroneous misconception
of the 'dole-bludger', ceaselessly pushed by the conservatives. John
Howard has a lot to answer for, he's the one who spent an entire
political career demonising the unemployed, as do the sheeple who
blindly believed his patently false rhetoric. You can see some of them
here, posting their elitist, anti-unemployed BS in just about every
thread related to this subject.

Pushing DSP recips onto No-Start is a flawed idea for many reasons.
As is penalising the mature-aged unemployed for not getting the
NON-EXISTENT jobs.

Just out of curiosity, I checked the available jobs at our local Mission
Impossible office the other day. How many jobs do you reckon there were?

Fifty? A hundred? More?

No. There were FOUR! The Govt LIES about the jobless rate, LIES
about having created X number of new jobs, LIES about the unemployed
not wanting to work, REFUSES to admit that the No-Start rate is
criminally inadequate, and then has the gall to force DSP recips into a
job-market where they have virtually NO hope of getting work.

And all the while, the conservatives, the elitists, and the Opposition cheer.

I have NO problem letting those on DSP who wish to work do so.
NOR do I have an issue with weeding out those on No-Start
who DO do the wrong thing.

BUT... I have nothing but contempt for those who want to cut the
No-Start benefit, those who refuse to accept that the unemployed DO
deserve a decent raise, those who wish to force DSP recips onto
No-Start, and those who persist in believing that the unemployed
never have, or ever will, work. And as for those who think that
mature-aged jobseekers who do volunteer work, are ONLY doing
it to avoid working....you are so pig-ignorant, it beggars belief.
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Reply #69 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:22pm
 
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Long-term unemployed and disability pensioners will be targeted with new requirements to engage in training, literacy programs and support to improve workforce participation.


I am adding the screenshot of this article to my case against the Government of further illegal work abuse, persecution and cruel and unusual punishment. Cool
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Reply #70 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:24pm
 
Ah, Pansi, I expected nothing less from this pack of
out-of-touch incompetents.

Slam the GENUINE welfare recips, but leave WEALTHfare untouched.

And just WHERE are these 500,000 new jobs coming from?

I've seen none created in our area, in fact, the exact opposite
appears to be the case.

But then, it IS a safe Coalition seat.

Probably explains a lot.

And as for training and literacy skills, this may be of benefit to
some, but not for all.

In my case, I am mature-aged and UNDER-employed, not UNemployed.
But I HAVE the skills already, and it should be obvious, to anyone who
actually reads my comments, that literacy is CERTAINLY not an issue.
People such as myself do NOT need, OR want training, we need AND WANT, JOBS.

Not rhetoric, not punitive 'mutual obligation' rubbish, not clogging the
job-market with DSP recips who CAN'T work.

JOBS. And not menial, make-work jobs, either.
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Reply #71 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:28pm
 


Prevailing wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 11:53am:
Equitist wrote on May 1st, 2011 at 11:32am:
If there were fewer barriers to employment for the disabled, then more of them would be working already!

Most disabled people aren't refusing work - they're simply not being offered any!  This applies to most of those who have been transferred from some other form of long-term welfare payment and effectively-'parked' on the DSP...


What a load of bull, disabled people are not working because they cant and in my own case its my employer and the Governments fault, it is work abuse related.  Quit trying to delude yourself you have a right to force the disabled to do anything because you are going to find yourself paying more for it in your hip pocket through the law suits.  You try to mess with me you pay for it and you will pay for it dearly that will give you something to whine about. Cool




I should have phrased my post better - I was referring to those on the DSP and not to the 'disabled' per se...

As you may recall, I have a 16 year old son who has multiple disabilities, the most obvious being Spastic Cerebral Palsy - he faced barriers even to doing Year 10 'Work Experience' and he faces the same issues with gaining part-time employment...

Mention a physical disability to a prospective employer and they typically think to the effect of, 'burden, time off and OH&S risk' - and their carers are regarded as a time off risk by employers too...

Mention a mental health issue and employers are also reluctant to employ...

The simple fact is, that many people are 'unemployable' - by virtue of never being given a fair chance to gain skills and experience...

That's just those with disabilities and their carers!  As others have mentioned, those who are mature aged or have other caring responsibilities face similar barriers to employment - from employers who are unwilling to take them on...



Edited:
Just realised that I had put my son's age as 26 instead of 16- and have now fixed the typo.


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Reply #72 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:31pm
 
When you consider that about half on a DP would love to work but can not get it the claim starts to look a bit hollow.
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Reply #73 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:37pm
 
<<And just WHERE are these 500,000 new jobs coming from?>>
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This is the sh1t that comes out of their mouths. Governments can't create jobs except if they create government jobs, but I thought they were cutting back on the public service.

He is saying that the 500,000 people who are now trained will slip into a job. So we have 500,000 more employed people and 500,000 less on the dole queue.

He really doesn't care if these people are employed or not, as long as they are not counted as unemployed. A ruse to make them look like a competent government.

He knows the unemployment figures are HIGH, maybe they are so high that the ABS are having trouble fudging them now.

There are no 500,000 new jobs or old jobs for that matter.

Remember the training keeps the job-seeker agencies in business, that's the main thing. Maybe they should create 100,000 more job agencies then everyone would be in work lol
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Reply #74 - May 1st, 2011 at 12:53pm
 
They need to accept the fact that many mature-aged job-seekers
CANNOT do certain types of work, also.

If someone has spent their working life in, say, mining or construction
then they WILL have issues such as arthritis etc, or be carrying old injuries
which make performing some jobs difficult or impossible.

This MUST be taken into account, WITHOUT forcing them to jump
through hoops doing 'Job Capacity Assessments' and the like.

Another thing that they, AND the anti-unemployed brigade NEED
to accept, also, is that, after having ALREADY worked for most of
their lives, the mature-aged jobseeker DOES have, and HAS
EARNED, the RIGHT to be somewhat of a 'job-snob'.
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