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No rivers of gold - WHY Mr Swan?
Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:09am
 
Prices are higher + We are digging more out of the ground = more tax revenue

Yet Swan can't achieve a surplus

He can't save money!!

Now he's blaming everyone else except himself!

And how can he financially say the LIBs wasted money when they achieved a surplus??

He's the one who's wasting money!! $4.5B in Pink Batts, $16.5B in BER, $20B give away



http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/9230435/no-rivers-of-gold-from-this-boom-swan/

The second phase of the mining boom won't produce the "rivers of gold" of government revenue like the former coalition government enjoyed and wasted, Treasurer Wayne Swan says.

In a keynote speech ahead of his fourth budget on May 10, Mr Swan will tell the Queensland Media Club on Wednesday that the consequences of the latest mining boom on the budget will be vastly different than the previous boom.

Unlike between 2004 and 2007 when tax revenues were revised up by a massive $334 billion cumulatively over the budget estimates, the current boom is expected to generate more modest inflows of revenue.

"Mining boom mark two will have all of the pressures of the first boom, without the surge in revenues," Mr Swan will say.

This is because the current boom starts with an already high terms of trade and, as a greater supply of global commodities come on line, the terms of trade will gradually fall.

This means economic growth rates won't be anything like those seen during the first boom, and that means revenues won't grow so quickly.

Also, while the mining sector has accounted for around 20 per cent of corporate profits over the past decade, it has made up only 10 per cent of corporate tax revenues.

This is because the mining sector is highly capital intensive, and with a rapidly growing capital base, it means rapidly growing deductions.

The economy also suffers from a hangover of the global financial crisis, tighter credit conditions, subdued consumer spending, a high Australian dollar that is hurting some industries, and the impact of this summer's natural disasters in the short term.

"This does not diminish the massive influx of activity in the private sector that will push the economy to its capacity and which will demand an intelligent policy response."

He doubts that this budget will be popular and he will take "no joy" in making cuts.

An easier alternative would be to put these cuts off until later, but that would result in even harsher cuts down the track.

"We can't and shouldn't buy support for this budget, like our predecessors did.
"There won't be rivers of gold like they wasted."
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Reply #1 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:15am
 
well he certainly is getting in early with all the excuses imaginable...just in case he stuffs it up! I am thinking..

well he never promised a rose garden did he?..lol..
got to laugh he really thinks we came down with yesterdays shower.and cant see through this spin... well have we got news for you wayne baby!!!

its time these guys got real it really is.. once upon a time it was leaks.. someone from govt print leaked the budget..

now the treasurer actually gets up in front of a microphone and tells us well it could be this,or it could be that, it all depends on.. well you know all about fiscal dont you...mmmmmmmmmm.

how about he just gets his sums right for a change.and surprise us.
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Reply #2 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:17am
 
btw is this MINING BOOM EXPLOSION.. BIGGER THAN IT EVER WAS DURING HOWARDS YEARS.[oops]
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Reply #3 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:19am
 
That's what Australians don't understand

We are selling more at higher prices means higher profits

Higher profits means more taxes are paid ie more revenue to the government

But Swan is now talking about the Howard government which received less revenue and still managed to pay off the $96B debt and achieve surpluses

So this is just another diversion
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Reply #4 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:21am
 
Maqqa wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:19am:
That's what Australians don't understand

We are selling more at higher prices means higher profits

Higher profits means more taxes are paid ie more revenue to the government

But Swan is now talking about the Howard government which received less revenue and still managed to pay off the $96B debt and achieve surpluses

So this is just another diversion



I understand that macca... so why cant everyone else??..

seems to me we took a beating from the left regarding Howard getting all that MINING money and doing what! with it..

now we have the govt getting EVEN MORE and doing exactly WHAT with it..

lol.. is this karma?
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Reply #5 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:23am
 
According to the article posted by buzz and green - production increased 44%

So we are selling 44% more at higher prices and Swan can't achieve a surplus?
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Reply #6 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:28am
 
if swanny produces a budget that actually works it will surprise me... I dont worry about a surplus.. he needs to get people spending again... having a sense of trust in the way we are heading..

if mininf has increased by almost 50%.. what the hell is that doing to  our Carbon emmissions..

seems to me our govt wants its cake and eat it too....

very greedy bite of each end..we would all like to do that wouldnt we?
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Reply #7 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:53am
 
I love the way macca and cods are talking to themselves
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Reply #8 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:58am
 
cods wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:28am:
if swanny produces a budget that actually works it will surprise me... I dont worry about a surplus.. he needs to get people spending again... having a sense of trust in the way we are heading..

if mininf has increased by almost 50%.. what the hell is that doing to  our Carbon emmissions..

seems to me our govt wants its cake and eat it too....

very greedy bite of each end..we would all like to do that wouldnt we?



The only people that will spend are those that voted these clowns in..... so come on Laborites!! You need to spend your hard earned cash because many of your local businesses/employers are in REAL trouble!! No money spent means unemployment!!

So put your money where your mouth is because Lib voters do not have confidence in this govt and therefore not willing to spend their hard earned cash!!
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Reply #9 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:59am
 
It's a hate filled love in!
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Reply #10 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:06am
 
Maqqa wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:19am:
That's what Australians don't understand

We are selling more at higher prices means higher profits

Higher profits means more taxes are paid ie more revenue to the government

But Swan is now talking about the Howard government which received less revenue and still managed to pay off the $96B debt and achieve surpluses

So this is just another diversion




I can see the logic in that.
Why is this boom not as good as the last one ?
We are selling vastly more at a greatly higher price.

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.............This is because the current boom starts with an already high terms of trade and, as a greater supply of global commodities come on line, the terms of trade will gradually fall.

This means economic growth rates won't be anything like those seen during the first boom, and that means revenues won't grow so quickly.

Also, while the mining sector has accounted for around 20 per cent of corporate profits over the past decade, it has made up only 10 per cent of corporate tax revenues.

This is because the mining sector is highly capital intensive, and with a rapidly growing capital base, it means rapidly growing deductions.

The economy also suffers from a hangover of the global financial crisis, tighter credit conditions, subdued consumer spending, a high Australian dollar that is hurting some industries, and the impact of this summer's natural disasters in the short term...............


the already higher terms of trade are to our benefit. We are at a better position.

the increasing supply has not happened yet. it takes a long time.

that sector makes 20% of the profits but only 10% of the income ??
So, means they have a higher yield, ie, higher prices are being paid.
gives the govt more tax income.

the poorer economy you point to is entirely of the alps making.

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Reply #11 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:07am
 
Evidently Maqqa doesn't read further than the byline, otherwise he would have found the answer to his question:

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"Mining boom mark two will have all of the pressures of the first boom, without the surge in revenues," Mr Swan will say.

This is because the current boom starts with an already high terms of trade and, as a greater supply of global commodities come on line, the terms of trade will gradually fall.

This means economic growth rates won't be anything like those seen during the first boom, and that means revenues won't grow so quickly.

Also, while the mining sector has accounted for around 20 per cent of corporate profits over the past decade, it has made up only 10 per cent of corporate tax revenues.

This is because the mining sector is highly capital intensive, and with a rapidly growing capital base, it means rapidly growing deductions.

The economy also suffers from a hangover of the global financial crisis, tighter credit conditions, subdued consumer spending, a high Australian dollar that is hurting some industries, and the impact of this summer's natural disasters in the short term.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #12 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:09am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:06am:
Maqqa wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:19am:
That's what Australians don't understand

We are selling more at higher prices means higher profits

Higher profits means more taxes are paid ie more revenue to the government

But Swan is now talking about the Howard government which received less revenue and still managed to pay off the $96B debt and achieve surpluses

So this is just another diversion




I can see the logic in that.
Why is this boom not as good as the last one ?
We are selling vastly more at a greatly higher price.

Quote:
.............This is because the current boom starts with an already high terms of trade and, as a greater supply of global commodities come on line, the terms of trade will gradually fall.

This means economic growth rates won't be anything like those seen during the first boom, and that means revenues won't grow so quickly.

Also, while the mining sector has accounted for around 20 per cent of corporate profits over the past decade, it has made up only 10 per cent of corporate tax revenues.

This is because the mining sector is highly capital intensive, and with a rapidly growing capital base, it means rapidly growing deductions.

The economy also suffers from a hangover of the global financial crisis, tighter credit conditions, subdued consumer spending, a high Australian dollar that is hurting some industries, and the impact of this summer's natural disasters in the short term...............


the already higher terms of trade are to our benefit. We are at a better position.

the increasing supply has not happened yet. it takes a long time.

that sector makes 20% of the profits but only 10% of the income ??
So, means they have a higher yield, ie, higher prices are being paid.
gives the govt more tax income.

the poorer economy you point to is entirely of the alps making.



Where'as your reference?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 10:09pm:
astro - thanks for posting a reference.
without a reference it is meaningless.


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Reply #13 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:11am
 
Maqqa wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 8:09am:
Prices are higher + We are digging more out of the ground = more tax revenue

Yet Swan can't achieve a surplus

He can't save money!!

Now he's blaming everyone else except himself!

And how can he financially say the LIBs wasted money when they achieved a surplus??

He's the one who's wasting money!! $4.5B in Pink Batts, $16.5B in BER, $20B give away



http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/9230435/no-rivers-of-gold-from-this-boom-swan/

The second phase of the mining boom won't produce the "rivers of gold" of government revenue like the former coalition government enjoyed and wasted, Treasurer Wayne Swan says.

In a keynote speech ahead of his fourth budget on May 10, Mr Swan will tell the Queensland Media Club on Wednesday that the consequences of the latest mining boom on the budget will be vastly different than the previous boom.

Unlike between 2004 and 2007 when tax revenues were revised up by a massive $334 billion cumulatively over the budget estimates, the current boom is expected to generate more modest inflows of revenue.

"Mining boom mark two will have all of the pressures of the first boom, without the surge in revenues," Mr Swan will say.

This is because the current boom starts with an already high terms of trade and, as a greater supply of global commodities come on line, the terms of trade will gradually fall.

This means economic growth rates won't be anything like those seen during the first boom, and that means revenues won't grow so quickly.

Also, while the mining sector has accounted for around 20 per cent of corporate profits over the past decade, it has made up only 10 per cent of corporate tax revenues.

This is because the mining sector is highly capital intensive, and with a rapidly growing capital base, it means rapidly growing deductions.

The economy also suffers from a hangover of the global financial crisis, tighter credit conditions, subdued consumer spending, a high Australian dollar that is hurting some industries, and the impact of this summer's natural disasters in the short term.

"This does not diminish the massive influx of activity in the private sector that will push the economy to its capacity and which will demand an intelligent policy response."

He doubts that this budget will be popular and he will take "no joy" in making cuts.

An easier alternative would be to put these cuts off until later, but that would result in even harsher cuts down the track.

"We can't and shouldn't buy support for this budget, like our predecessors did.
"There won't be rivers of gold like they wasted."


Relevance?

You didn't notice the biggest Global Economic slowdown, since the great depression?

What would the Libs have done, IF THEY HAD OF WON IN 2007?

Would they have continued cutting into disposable income? Possibly, but at what cost to the oZ Economy?

Even though Labor did waste some of their input, it was still relatively modest on the international stage.

As the following IMF chart shows, Australia is relatively well placed, in the grand scheme of things, as our deficits and total Debt are relatively low.  

...

As you would correctly point out, the Liberals did get rid of quite a lot of Debt, during the Howard years, alhough they should have done better, given that the Howard years also co-incided with the best years of the Baby Boomer Boom.

That said, OZ will still take a hefty hit, as the eye of this massive Economic cyclone finishes passing over and the Economic winds again hit with full force!

If either the Libs or the Labs, now come on with massive hits to disposable income, as the Conservatives have done in the UK and the Republicans want to do in the USA, that would simply be the wrong action, at the wrong time!

Specific & targeted actions directed to the right issues, are an absolute must, but across the board hits to disposable income would result in an unmitigated disaster!
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Reply #14 - Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:25am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 9:11am:
[quote author=Maqqa link=1303250973/0#0 date=1303250972]Prices are higher + We are digging more out of the ground = more tax revenue

Yet Swan can't achieve a surplus

He can't save money!!

Now he's blaming everyone else except himself!

And how can he financially say the LIBs wasted money when they achieved a surplus??

He's the one who's wasting money!! $4.5B in Pink Batts, $16.5B in BER, $20B give away



You didn't notice the biggest Global Economic slowdown, since the great depression?

What would the Libs have done, IF THEY HAD OF WON IN 2007?

Would they have continued cutting into disposable income? Possibly, but at what cost to the oZ Economy?

Even though Labor did waste some of their input, it was still relatively modest on the international stage.

As the following IMF chart shows, Australia is relatively well placed, in the grand scheme of things, as our deficits and total Debt are relatively low.  

http://www.chrismartenson.com/files/u4/F_debt_financinf_needs_4-12-2011_11-19-45...

As you would correctly point out, the Liberals did get rid of quite a lot of Debt, during the Howard years, alhough they should have done better, given that the Howard years also co-incided with the best years of the Baby Boomer Boom. That said, OZ will still take a hefty hit, as the eye of this massive Economic cyclone finishes passing over and the Economic winds again hit with full force!

If either the Libs or the Labs, now come on with massive hits to disposable income, as the Conservatives have done in the UK and the Republicans want to do in the USA, that would simply be the wrong action, at the wrong time!

Specific & targeted actions directed to the right issues, are an absolute must, but across the board hits to disposable income would result in an unmitigated disaster!




So you are sayng that every time Labor get in we have a downward trend in economic terms......... do you ever blame LABOR or is it always someone else's fault?

Laborites are always good at looking around the world to find somebody that is worse off than we are but in real terms it is the LABOR Govts job to RUN this COUNTRY not Ireland, England France and any other lot!!

The majority of these civilians in European countries blame their own govt for their mess!!


Specific & targeted actions directed to the right issues, are an absolute must,......... so what areas are these hits in!! Jobs! What are these hits in!!
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