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Reply #60 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:13am

Grey wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 12:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 10:39pm:

What about Buddism? - far less violence anyway.

Buddhism is different in that its central product, meditation, is a useful tool. But like every other religious gang it's become utterly corrupted by woo. The Dalai Lama has run a nice propagands campaign over the decades to the extent that his face with a gentle wry and knowing smile has become the sterotype for the worlds Buddhists. The fact he's the latest incarnation of a long line of despots that make the Chinese look enlightened has been carefully swept under the carpet.

http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/EN/links.htm

There is nothing in those links that compares
with 500 years of the Catholic Inquisition.
It talks about Hitler being influenced by Buddist type religions
but in fact Hitler was a Catholic & he thought he was doing God's work on earth.

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Reply #61 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:29am

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I am still waiting for that list of everything you would like to ban.

All irrational religious dogma should be discouraged and laughed at. Actually the people who follow religious beliefs should be persecuted the same way that people of science were persecuted by religious authorities in the early times just to remind them of religions' dark past. The tables have turned on religion and finally, reason and common sense now prevail as it always should have Wink

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Reply #63 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:41am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:35am:

Hi Nail,
What about this as a respectful Easter message from the Catholic Inquisition -
peformed on those who disagreed with it?

Yes I heard one priest carrying on about how people have lost their way and were more concerned with material things such as MONEY, cars, boats and superannuation etc. What they failed to tell people is how big their own stash of treasures are with their massive property portfolios, bank vaults full of gold etc. What a bunch of hypocrites always wanting more of other peoples materialistic possessions. Ever seen a church that doesn't pass around an offering plate ?? And you're not likely to either Sad

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Reply #64 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:45am

wicked - Last Nail- hope you are proven correct!!!!!!!!

But - to truly end an epoch of cruelty, repression and control......

BAN RELIGION!.... ALTOGETHER!!!

ah ..maybe not! (not achievable)
OR.......(hmmmm ... and on 2nd thought that would create a 'criminal black market' in religious goods, with profits to the most capitalistically inclined -- ) and most obsessed.

OR.....YES!!! Let people do as they would choose, in their own homes.... (hmmmmm..but not in public?)
Nope - that won't work.!! Not when it comes to religious folk --- 'cos lets all agree on one thing - Obsessive Religionists WANT to get in your FACE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT?????

TOLERANCE is the only viable path.

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Reply #65 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:53am

Emma wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:45am:

wicked - Last Nail- hope you are proven correct!!!!!!!!

But - to truly end an epoch of cruelty, repression and control......

BAN RELIGION!.... ALTOGETHER!!!

ah ..maybe not! (not achievable)
OR.......(hmmmm ... and on 2nd thought that would create a 'criminal black market' in religious goods, with profits to the most capitalistically inclined -- ) and most obsessed.

OR.....YES!!! Let people do as they would choose, in their own homes.... (hmmmmm..but not in public?)
Nope - that won't work.!! Not when it comes to religious folk --- 'cos lets all agree on one thing - Obsessive Religionists WANT to get in your FACE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT?????

TOLERANCE is the only viable path.

I like how they try and tell people that it's a personal thing or a personal choice. But it's not personal at all. It's in your face at every instance. It's on TV, radio, print media, internet etc. It's also on every street corner trying to hoodwink suckers to come in and part with their hard earned cash. There is nothing personal about it anymore than there is for an ad for jam rags on prime time TV Sad

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Reply #66 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:38am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:13am:

There is nothing in those links that compares
with 500 years of the Catholic Inquisition.
It talks about Hitler being influenced by Buddist type religions
but in fact Hitler was a Catholic & he thought he was doing God's work on earth.

Oh look BOB, Buddhism isn't as bad, but if it was the only religion left after the rest had been successfully banned it would only continue the practice of woo. They all split with the monotonous regularity of amoeba. For all the good intentions of the founder, and I don't seriously doubt them, Buddhism has to go too I'm afraid

Never let a chance go by

I can't stand Condolsleazy Rice, but I appreciate the fact she seems to get the joke @ 2.19

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Reply #67 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 9:19am

Grey wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1303119265/60#60 date=1303571586]There is nothing in those links that compares
with 500 years of the Catholic Inquisition.
It talks about Hitler being influenced by Buddist type religions
but in fact Hitler was a Catholic & he thought he was doing God's work on earth.

Oh look BOB, Buddhism isn't as bad, but if it was the only religion left after the rest had been successfully banned it would only continue the practice of woo. They all split with the monotonous regularity of amoeba. For all the good intentions of the founder, and I don't seriously doubt them, Buddhism has to go too I'm afraid

Never let a chance go by

I can't stand Condolsleazy Rice, but I appreciate the fact she seems to get the joke @ 2.19

Very funny grey. I'm sure it made more sense than the actual ceremony, was it a gang up to rid the world of Muslims? good try I'm sure, bullies all of them.

Condosleazy.....she's not all bad, look at the cushy job she lined up for her sis

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Reply #68 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:08am

The Catholics must not only condemn the 500 year Inquisition they must explain
how the many Popes & others responsible were able to interpret the
Bible to commit such evil - at the same time explaining
how their infalliable line of Popes could be so fallible.

They never do this - they just say - ohh sorry about that 500 years
& put some money on the plate - be a good sport!

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Reply #69 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 12:14pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 9:19am:

Grey wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1303119265/60#60 date=1303571586]There is nothing in those links that compares
with 500 years of the Catholic Inquisition.
It talks about Hitler being influenced by Buddist type religions
but in fact Hitler was a Catholic & he thought he was doing God's work on earth.

Oh look BOB, Buddhism isn't as bad, but if it was the only religion left after the rest had been successfully banned it would only continue the practice of woo. They all split with the monotonous regularity of amoeba. For all the good intentions of the founder, and I don't seriously doubt them, Buddhism has to go too I'm afraid

Never let a chance go by

I can't stand Condolsleazy Rice, but I appreciate the fact she seems to get the joke @ 2.19

Very funny grey. I'm sure it made more sense than the actual ceremony, was it a gang up to rid the world of Muslims? good try I'm sure, bullies all of them.

Condosleazy.....she's not all bad, look at the cushy job she lined up for her sis

It's just another case of businesses colluding together to get rid of another business which they consider a threat Wink

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Reply #70 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:07pm

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Oh, but compromise in islam is the end of islam.

Fine by me. Compromise on freedom is the end of freedom - not fine by me.

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That is why it is is important to press for compromise by Islam all the small ways

So we punish the victim while ignoring the genuine issues? It sounds like you want to beat Islam at it's own game. How about standing up for our values rather than being vindictive? Oh I forgot, you can't tell the difference between Australian values and meat pies.

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but in fact Hitler was a Catholic & he thought he was doing God's work on earth.

Hitler played the catholic when it suited him politically, but there is strong evidence that the Catholic church would have been next on hist list once he got rid of the jews et al.

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All irrational religious dogma should be discouraged and laughed at.

So you are happy with the rational ones?

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Actually the people who follow religious beliefs should be persecuted the same way that people of science were persecuted by religious authorities in the early times just to remind them of religions' dark past.

Are you aware that most of the world's most famous historical scientists, and plenty of modern ones, are religious? Persecution was the exception, not the norm.

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Yes I heard one priest carrying on about how people have lost their way and were more concerned with material things such as MONEY, cars, boats and superannuation etc. What they failed to tell people is how big their own stash of treasures are with their massive property portfolios, bank vaults full of gold etc. What a bunch of hypocrites always wanting more of other peoples materialistic possessions. Ever seen a church that doesn't pass around an offering plate ?? And you're not likely to either

Have you thought about what they do with that money? Easy to pretend now that we have government welfare to fall back on, but for most of our history it was the church. This is no more of a sane argument than demanding we ban government.

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I like how they try and tell people that it's a personal thing or a personal choice. But it's not personal at all. It's in your face at every instance.

No it isn't. If anyone is in your face it is the atheists. Just look around here at them trying to ban everything. Imagine the howling if the church demanded we banned the promotion of atheism in public. You have to have a pretty big chip on your shoulder to find Australia's religious people confronting.

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It's on TV, radio, print media, internet etc.

Who is forcing you to watch it?

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It's also on every street corner

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The Catholics must not only condemn the 500 year Inquisition they must explain
how the many Popes & others responsible were able to interpret the
Bible to commit such evil - at the same time explaining
how their infalliable line of Popes could be so fallible.

They never do this - they just say - ohh sorry about that 500 years
& put some money on the plate - be a good sport!

The funny thing is, the people who criticise the catholics most loudly for this are the same ones demanding we start oppressing Muslims with silly religious bans. Hypocrisy?

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It's just another case of businesses colluding together to get rid of another business which they consider a threat

Maybe that's all it is, and atheists don't seem any slower at reaching for the bottom of the barrel.

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Reply #71 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 9:13pm

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No it isn't. If anyone is in your face it is the atheists. Just look around here at them trying to ban everything. Imagine the howling if the church demanded we banned the promotion of atheism in public. You have to have a pretty big chip on your shoulder to find Australia's religious people confronting.

Makes a refreshing change don't it? Difference is atheists don't claim to be speaking for the sky pixie, use superstitious nonsense to install fear, burn people for disagreeing, or do the mock horror of blasphemy and lock people up for it.

Hooray for the starvation army band, they'll try to convert you even if they cant. Actually I think the salvo's should be banned for offences against architecture. ... and music. Tongue

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Reply #72 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:03pm

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Difference is atheists don't claim to be speaking for the sky pixie

So it is nothing to do with their actions, but their beliefs? You don't mind proselytising, so long as it is 'your side' that is doing it? Everyone else should be banned?

If your views are so righteous, why do you need the government to help you impose them on other people? Have you no faith in your own ability to put together a rational argument?

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Reply #73 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:27pm

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:03pm:

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Difference is atheists don't claim to be speaking for the sky pixie

So it is nothing to do with their actions, but their beliefs? You don't mind proselytising, so long as it is 'your side' that is doing it? Everyone else should be banned?

When their beliefs lead to actions that cause immense harm throughout history banning is only sensible dontcha think? The message of Atheism, that 'god' doesn't exist, never harmed anybody.

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If your views are so righteous, why do you need the government to help you impose them on other people? Have you no faith in your own ability to put together a rational argument?

Come, come free, my saying 'religion should be banned' is just rhetoric; the government is hardly likely to act on it. Meanwhile religions get an exemption from paying tax, get public money towards the running of their schools, get their pastors implanted in state schools and kick up a hell of a fuss about the suggestion that kids get taught ethics rather than religious morals. Remove those impositions before you go looking for the mote in my eye.

I have every confidence in the reason of my arguments against the irrational, superstitious claptrap I oppose.

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Reply #74 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:19pm

hello!

err - a little off-topic guys! Yep luv doing that!!

why is it so>? Undecided

Legal intervention - in the form of 'Bans' - hmmm... bans - what a polite way of saying - absolutely forbidden or suffer the consequence.

But - they don't work do they? not for any real purpose to be achieved. At least in this context. All a Ban does is advertise - and who said 'No Publicity is bad publicity.?
? beats me !! Wink

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