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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #90 - Jul 12^th, 2011 at 1:05pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

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So what are the psycho-physiological manifestations of your soul that project your egotism and bring you psychological or physical benefits?

That's for my opponents to find out.

Well, the recesses of your sould are not important. We know all we need to know: whatever you post is just a psycho-physiological manifestations of your soul projecting your egotism. This is your own theory and I will take you at your word.i

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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #91 - Jul 12^th, 2011 at 2:05pm

Soren wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 10:17pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

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Karnal - Really, though, there are not thousands of views. There's only about two or three.

hahahahaha What dimension are you living in? Shuffle around the tree Karnal, how many views? Every fraction of a fraction is a different tree. Don't stop there, there's the view from afar from very afar from extremely close, the view from above and the view from below, the view from sitting in the canopy. in different places.

Don't you see? It's ALL like that. The views are infinite.

The views may be infinite in number but they are not interchangable, that is to say, they are not equal - in relevance or importance or what they reveal or indeed in any other aspect.

Oh yes they are!

What is a view? A view is a looking at...- A mexican riding a bicycle seen from above

http://www.hamiltonpruim.co.uk/blog/mexican.jpg

Only when you have viewed the Mexican, (or a tree) from all possible views in all possible dimensions do you have an accurate picture. This is true of issues. The more views (opinions + facts) you collect, the more chance you have of making a reasoned assessment or decision. A person who takes one view and excludes all others is a bigot.

How the bugger do you know it's a Mexican when you've had only one view??

You and Time just crap on without realising that you are refuting yourselves with every post.
But you probably sense it, that's why you bandy the the worrd 'bigot' too readily - it's a a shorthand for 'I can't think of a reason so I'll just assert something and hope it'll bamboozle them".

Pffft. You've not refuted a single thing I've said.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Is Aunty moving too far right? Reply #92 - Jul 12^th, 2011 at 2:56pm Quote: How the bugger do you know it's a Mexican when you've had only one view?? Oh I viewed the Mexican from every which way, she had very nice tits. .
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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #93 - Jul 12^th, 2011 at 4:44pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 2:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 10:17pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

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Karnal - Really, though, there are not thousands of views. There's only about two or three.

hahahahaha What dimension are you living in? Shuffle around the tree Karnal, how many views? Every fraction of a fraction is a different tree. Don't stop there, there's the view from afar from very afar from extremely close, the view from above and the view from below, the view from sitting in the canopy. in different places.

Don't you see? It's ALL like that. The views are infinite.

The views may be infinite in number but they are not interchangable, that is to say, they are not equal - in relevance or importance or what they reveal or indeed in any other aspect.

Oh yes they are!

What is a view? A view is a looking at...- A mexican riding a bicycle seen from above

http://www.hamiltonpruim.co.uk/blog/mexican.jpg

Only when you have viewed the Mexican, (or a tree) from all possible views in all possible dimensions do you have an accurate picture. This is true of issues. The more views (opinions + facts) you collect, the more chance you have of making a reasoned assessment or decision. A person who takes one view and excludes all others is a bigot.

How the bugger do you know it's a Mexican when you've had only one view??

You and Time just crap on without realising that you are refuting yourselves with every post.
But you probably sense it, that's why you bandy the the worrd 'bigot' too readily - it's a a shorthand for 'I can't think of a reason so I'll just assert something and hope it'll bamboozle them".

Pffft. You've not refuted a single thing I've said.

That's just it - you refute yourself. Applying your statements to your own stance shows up how untenable both your stance and your statements are. But you do not seem to even realise that relativising everything makes your every statement relative, that is, applicable only to you. Yet you boldly speak of 'other people', as if you were not yourself 'other people'. I suppose subjecting yourself to sociology for decades does that.

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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #94 - Jul 12^th, 2011 at 5:43pm

Soren wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 2:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 10:17pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

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Karnal - Really, though, there are not thousands of views. There's only about two or three.

hahahahaha What dimension are you living in? Shuffle around the tree Karnal, how many views? Every fraction of a fraction is a different tree. Don't stop there, there's the view from afar from very afar from extremely close, the view from above and the view from below, the view from sitting in the canopy. in different places.

Don't you see? It's ALL like that. The views are infinite.

The views may be infinite in number but they are not interchangable, that is to say, they are not equal - in relevance or importance or what they reveal or indeed in any other aspect.

Oh yes they are!

What is a view? A view is a looking at...- A mexican riding a bicycle seen from above

http://www.hamiltonpruim.co.uk/blog/mexican.jpg

Only when you have viewed the Mexican, (or a tree) from all possible views in all possible dimensions do you have an accurate picture. This is true of issues. The more views (opinions + facts) you collect, the more chance you have of making a reasoned assessment or decision. A person who takes one view and excludes all others is a bigot.

How the bugger do you know it's a Mexican when you've had only one view??

You and Time just crap on without realising that you are refuting yourselves with every post.
But you probably sense it, that's why you bandy the the worrd 'bigot' too readily - it's a a shorthand for 'I can't think of a reason so I'll just assert something and hope it'll bamboozle them".

Pffft. You've not refuted a single thing I've said.

That's just it - you refute yourself. Applying your statements to your own stance shows up how untenable both your stance and your statements are. But you do not seem to even realise that relativising everything makes your every statement relative, that is, applicable only to you. Yet you boldly speak of 'other people', as if you were not yourself 'other people'. I suppose subjecting yourself to sociology for decades does that.

We've been over this and your only option to counter this is to argue for moral absolutes. You have yet to do this; instead you slyly move away from the topic everytime it rises.
If you want to argue against the relativism of morality the onus is on you to prove your case by arguing absolutes. Yet you haven't, or is it you can't?
You're pinned in an intellectual corner, playing antics with semantics in the vain hope that you may get yourself off the ropes.
For someone who claims to know a lot about philosophy, you are about 200 years behind where knowledge is at today.

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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #95 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 1:28am

You are very binary for a relativist. It does not follow that just because your relativism doesn't hold up I have to somehow, therefore, argue for absolutes.

Relativism is untenable because it essentially says that there are no principles, only self-interest disguised as principle. But then this statement is nothing more than self-interest disguised as an insight into principle. In other words, does your statement about projected egotism include your on statement? If not, then your statement is untrue - not all statements are as described. If yes, then you are just projecting.

I don't see how it is necessary for me to be an absolutist to be able to show this. How am I pinned anywhere by showing that a relativist position is a paradoxical position?

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: Is Aunty moving too far right? Reply #96 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:11am More word games. Answer this simple question: Is there such thing as moral absolutes? If so, how are they grounded?
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Is Aunty moving too far right? Reply #97 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:42am Quote: How am I pinned anywhere by showing that a relativist position is a paradoxical position? Paradox is the land where truth lives.
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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102381	Re: Is Aunty moving too far right? Reply #98 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 12:14pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:11am: Is there such thing as moral absolutes? If so, how are they grounded? Yes, my frien. They are grounded in the relative natures.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Is Aunty moving too far right? Reply #99 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 7:56pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:11am: More word games. Answer this simple question: Is there such thing as moral absolutes? If so, how are they grounded? They are grounded in epistemological absolutes.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Is Aunty moving too far right? Reply #100 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 7:58pm Grey wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:42am: Quote: How am I pinned anywhere by showing that a relativist position is a paradoxical position? Paradox is the land where truth lives. ParadoxParable is the land where truth lives
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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #101 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 8:43pm

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 7:56pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:11am:

More word games.

Answer this simple question: Is there such thing as moral absolutes? If so, how are they grounded?

They are grounded in epistemological absolutes.

Ah, you are very tricky fellow, my frien, very tricky indeed. We have these epistemological abolutions in my country. No good! Thank the god Mother England come and teach us good manners.

I think is nice in your country. You are Englishman, no? You are a good man.

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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #102 - Jul 13^th, 2011 at 11:28pm

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 7:58pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:42am:

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How am I pinned anywhere by showing that a relativist position is a paradoxical position?

Paradox is the land where truth lives.

ParadoxParable is the land where truth lives

<sigh> None so blind as those that will not see

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: Is Aunty moving too far right? Reply #103 - Jul 14^th, 2011 at 2:39pm Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 7:56pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 13^th, 2011 at 10:11am: More word games. Answer this simple question: Is there such thing as moral absolutes? If so, how are they grounded? They are grounded in epistemological absolutes. What are these epistemological absolutes?
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Re: Is Aunty moving too far right?
Reply #104 - Jul 14^th, 2011 at 3:22pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2011 at 5:43pm:

We've been over this and your only option to counter this is to argue for moral absolutes. You have yet to do this; instead you slyly move away from the topic everytime it rises.
If you want to argue against the relativism of morality the onus is on you to prove your case by arguing absolutes. Yet you haven't, or is it you can't?
You're pinned in an intellectual corner, playing antics with semantics in the vain hope that you may get yourself off the ropes.
For someone who claims to know a lot about philosophy, you are about 200 years behind where knowledge is at today.

Sounds familiar - You just described the Soren gambit. Exactly the same tactics were used in Environment when discussing climate change.

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