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Gillard's big day in the sun
Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:31pm

Gillard spruiks massive solar power project
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The solar panels will generate an extra 44 megawatts of power each year. (kogansolarboost.com.au)
Prime Minister Julia Gillard has approved the construction of the southern hemisphere's largest solar power project on Queensland's western Darling Downs.

She made the announcement while touring the Kogan Creek coal-fired power station near Dalby, north-west of Brisbane.

CS Energy will spend $104 million installing solar panels at the plant which will generate an extra 44 megawatts of power each year.

"I am very confident this project is going to be a standout - a standout in Australia, a standout in the world - about how power generation can be changed to give us a cleaner-energy future," Ms Gillard said.

Ms Gillard says the project could be one of many under the new carbon tax scheme.

"With the clean-energy future I want for our nation, I want it to be a norm," she said.

"That's why we have to price carbon, to create the right incentive that we do have a clean-energy future."

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Gillard's big day in the sun Reply #1 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:33pm What's the female equivalent of being held by the short & curlies? No don't answer that. Whatever it is, Bob Brown's surely got Gillard by it.
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Gillard's big day in the sun Reply #2 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:35pm So cheap laughs aside. What have you got against the Renewable industry?
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Gillard's big day in the sun Reply #3 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:37pm It's not a cheap laugh. It's a helluva lot more expensive than coal. Come back & see me in 20-30 years when battery technology will allow it to provide base load.
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Gillard's big day in the sun Reply #4 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:44pm We use at our business 1.8million KW a year, how many megawatts is that?
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Reply #5 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:47pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:35pm:

So cheap laughs aside.
What have you got against the Renewable industry?

Basically the cost...$104 million dollars for a 44 MWatt solar generator, sited next to and as a 'booster' to a 750 MWatt coal power station....

It will produce 1/17th of the output the coal station does...AND at that, only while the sun is up and in the right place (although if the panels can move to track the sun, that'll be good too)...But even so, that's still only 12 hours out of every 24, at best...

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Gillard's big day in the sun Reply #6 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:47pm Battery technology exists now that could be used in this project, expecially since the solar is an add on to a coal fired plant. I wonder why a coal fired power plant is installing a solar thermal annex? Must be a reason, hey bogarde?
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Reply #7 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:48pm

Please delete wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

Battery technology exists now that could be used in this project, expecially since the solar is an add on to a coal fired plant.

I wonder why a coal fired power plant is installing a solar thermal annex? Must be a reason, hey bogarde?

Because it looks good for the public and the media????

Are you sure it's a Solar Thermal plant Ernie?????

Looks like it's 'just' a solar array in the pics and media releases....

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Reply #8 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:51pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:48pm:

Please delete wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

Battery technology exists now that could be used in this project, expecially since the solar is an add on to a coal fired plant.

I wonder why a coal fired power plant is installing a solar thermal annex? Must be a reason, hey bogarde?

Because it looks good for the public and the media????

$104M PR exercise. That makes sense.

PS at that cost, it calcualtes out as $2.36B per GW - MUCH cheaper than nuclear.

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Reply #9 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:53pm

Please delete wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:48pm:

Please delete wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

Battery technology exists now that could be used in this project, expecially since the solar is an add on to a coal fired plant.

I wonder why a coal fired power plant is installing a solar thermal annex? Must be a reason, hey bogarde?

Because it looks good for the public and the media????

$104M PR exercise. That makes sense.

PS at that cost, it calcualtes out as $2.36B per GW - MUCH cheaper than nuclear.

Don't know about that....It's not 24/7, and nuclear is....

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Gillard's big day in the sun Reply #10 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:55pm Solar thermal is 24/7, since it uses the same heat storage tech that nuclear does (not in this case, since there is a coal fired power station next door).
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Gillard's big day in the sun Reply #11 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:58pm And we've argued this at length gizmo - why do you keep arguing against solar thermal?
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Reply #12 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 4:01pm

Please delete wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

Solar thermal is 24/7, since it uses the same heat storage tech that nuclear does (not in this case, since there is a coal fired power station next door).

Yes, solar thermal might be 24/7, but the Kogan Creek plant isn't solar thermal is it???

Nuclear works out (roughly) to $1400 per Kw, so that'd be $14,000 per Mw and about $14 million per Gw? A Gigawatt is 1000 megawatts, isn't it???....Or is it a million megawatts??

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Reply #13 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 4:02pm

Please delete wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:48pm:

Please delete wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 3:47pm:

Battery technology exists now that could be used in this project, expecially since the solar is an add on to a coal fired plant.

I wonder why a coal fired power plant is installing a solar thermal annex? Must be a reason, hey bogarde?

Because it looks good for the public and the media????

$104M PR exercise. That makes sense.

PS at that cost, it calcualtes out as $2.36B per GW - MUCH cheaper than nuclear.

I looked up what our 1.8million KW is, and is 1800 megawatts.

This thing is only producing 44 megawatts of power a year.

Our annual electricity bill is $280k.

By my calculations thats not much a return.

Surely something is wrong with my calculations.

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Reply #14 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 4:03pm

The largest solar project in the Southern Hemisphere and the largest project of its kind in the world
The Kogan Creek Solar Boost Project will involve the installation of a solar thermal addition to CS Energy’s 750 megawatt coal-fired Kogan Creek Power Station in South West Queensland.

The solar addition will increase the amount of electricity generated by up to 44 megawatts during peak solar conditions providing an additional 44,000 megawatt hours of electricity per year.

The innovative solar project will augment the Kogan Creek Power Station’s steam generation system to increase the station’s electricity output and fuel efficiency. It forms part of CS Energy’s commitment to producing cleaner electricity from existing coal-fired power stations.

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Augmentation, not replacement, not base load. An investment to reduce emissions imposts which have been threatened for ages.

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