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Reply #60 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Hopefully they get the battery into mass production soon....

Although, I'm not all that sure that the 'silent operation' thing is all that great an idea....

Think of the pedestrian accident rate..If you can't hear it coming, there's a huge potential for people stepping in front of EVs, in shopping areas particularly...

Yes but no major problems to add sound effects to it. That's the least of your worries Wink

I was talking in terms of noise inside the cabin.

Ahh you meant road noise....
I was thinking of the old english electric trolley buses..The called them silent killers, they ended up adding something to them to make noise...

I doubt it'd be hard to do the same for an EV....

some EVs actually do make some noise for exactly this situation. In fact EV manufacturers ahve had odd problems like loud wipers and stuff liek that because there is no engine noise to mask it.

it wil certainly be good when proper EVs are available that can actually do what we want them to do. but gizmo, I'd be guessing you and I wil be driing them while toenail is still complaining about something else from the rented cump he lives in.

Well given the way the petrol prices are going....I'd certainly buy an EV, for a reasonable price and with a decent range........This German battery sounds like it'll supply a damn good range...

All I'm wondering about is whether the 6 minute charger is going to be an option, and how much it will cost....

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Reply #61 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:40pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Hopefully they get the battery into mass production soon....

Although, I'm not all that sure that the 'silent operation' thing is all that great an idea....

Think of the pedestrian accident rate..If you can't hear it coming, there's a huge potential for people stepping in front of EVs, in shopping areas particularly...

Yes but no major problems to add sound effects to it. That's the least of your worries Wink

I was talking in terms of noise inside the cabin.

Ahh you meant road noise....
I was thinking of the old english electric trolley buses..The called them silent killers, they ended up adding something to them to make noise...

I doubt it'd be hard to do the same for an EV....

some EVs actually do make some noise for exactly this situation. In fact EV manufacturers ahve had odd problems like loud wipers and stuff liek that because there is no engine noise to mask it.

it wil certainly be good when proper EVs are available that can actually do what we want them to do. but gizmo, I'd be guessing you and I wil be driing them while toenail is still complaining about something else from the rented cump he lives in.

Well given the way the petrol prices are going....I'd certainly buy an EV, for a reasonable price and with a decent range........This German battery sounds like it'll supply a damn good range...

All I'm wondering about is whether the 6 minute charger is going to be an option, and how much it will cost....

he charger is the least of your problems. the 980Kw connection is the real problem. But putting recharge times back into a real-world scenario, a one hour charge would require 98Kw which is still beyond normal use but a three-phase system could provide 50Kw making it a 2 hour charge from dead-flat. if there were charging stations around town and at places along highways, combined with a 400mile range, a 1-2 hour recharge time makes it viable. Mind you the 400mile range is at highway conditions meaning that in traffic and low speeds it is more like 250miles. still pretty good but still needs to be said. The battery looks like a good step forward. If the battery technology improves then EVs have a future. I still wonder about replaceable batteries for distance travel tho. instead of the 2 hour wait - or more - just swap out batteries. I guess tho that that would be considerably more expensive than just charging your own battery. But compared to petrol it will still be a lot cheaper.

Now if they can just make REAL Evs ie real cars with real size and real power for real life driving. that will be interesting to see!

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #62 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Hopefully they get the battery into mass production soon....

Although, I'm not all that sure that the 'silent operation' thing is all that great an idea....

Think of the pedestrian accident rate..If you can't hear it coming, there's a huge potential for people stepping in front of EVs, in shopping areas particularly...

Yes but no major problems to add sound effects to it. That's the least of your worries Wink

I was talking in terms of noise inside the cabin.

Ahh you meant road noise....
I was thinking of the old english electric trolley buses..The called them silent killers, they ended up adding something to them to make noise...

I doubt it'd be hard to do the same for an EV....

some EVs actually do make some noise for exactly this situation. In fact EV manufacturers ahve had odd problems like loud wipers and stuff liek that because there is no engine noise to mask it.

it wil certainly be good when proper EVs are available that can actually do what we want them to do. but gizmo, I'd be guessing you and I wil be driing them while toenail is still complaining about something else from the rented cump he lives in.

Well given the way the petrol prices are going....I'd certainly buy an EV, for a reasonable price and with a decent range........This German battery sounds like it'll supply a damn good range...

All I'm wondering about is whether the 6 minute charger is going to be an option, and how much it will cost....

he charger is the least of your problems. the 980Kw connection is the real problem. But putting recharge times back into a real-world scenario, a one hour charge would require 98Kw which is still beyond normal use but a three-phase system could provide 50Kw making it a 2 hour charge from dead-flat. if there were charging stations around town and at places along highways, combined with a 400mile range, a 1-2 hour recharge time makes it viable. Mind you the 400mile range is at highway conditions meaning that in traffic and low speeds it is more like 250miles. still pretty good but still needs to be said. The battery looks like a good step forward. If the battery technology improves then EVs have a future. I still wonder about replaceable batteries for distance travel tho. instead of the 2 hour wait - or more - just swap out batteries. I guess tho that that would be considerably more expensive than just charging your own battery. But compared to petrol it will still be a lot cheaper.

Now if they can just make REAL Evs ie real cars with real size and real power for real life driving. that will be interesting to see!

I don't know...an overnight charge, or even an 6-8 hour charge at a parking garage would still be acceptable....

With a family car, I'd imagine the range might be a little lower (due to curb weight) but even so, a 250 mile range for something commodore/falcon sized would still be great...250 miles is still 402 kilometres

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #63 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 5:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Hopefully they get the battery into mass production soon....

Although, I'm not all that sure that the 'silent operation' thing is all that great an idea....

Think of the pedestrian accident rate..If you can't hear it coming, there's a huge potential for people stepping in front of EVs, in shopping areas particularly...

Yes but no major problems to add sound effects to it. That's the least of your worries Wink

I was talking in terms of noise inside the cabin.

Ahh you meant road noise....
I was thinking of the old english electric trolley buses..The called them silent killers, they ended up adding something to them to make noise...

I doubt it'd be hard to do the same for an EV....

some EVs actually do make some noise for exactly this situation. In fact EV manufacturers ahve had odd problems like loud wipers and stuff liek that because there is no engine noise to mask it.

it wil certainly be good when proper EVs are available that can actually do what we want them to do. but gizmo, I'd be guessing you and I wil be driing them while toenail is still complaining about something else from the rented cump he lives in.

Well given the way the petrol prices are going....I'd certainly buy an EV, for a reasonable price and with a decent range........This German battery sounds like it'll supply a damn good range...

All I'm wondering about is whether the 6 minute charger is going to be an option, and how much it will cost....

he charger is the least of your problems. the 980Kw connection is the real problem. But putting recharge times back into a real-world scenario, a one hour charge would require 98Kw which is still beyond normal use but a three-phase system could provide 50Kw making it a 2 hour charge from dead-flat. if there were charging stations around town and at places along highways, combined with a 400mile range, a 1-2 hour recharge time makes it viable. Mind you the 400mile range is at highway conditions meaning that in traffic and low speeds it is more like 250miles. still pretty good but still needs to be said. The battery looks like a good step forward. If the battery technology improves then EVs have a future. I still wonder about replaceable batteries for distance travel tho. instead of the 2 hour wait - or more - just swap out batteries. I guess tho that that would be considerably more expensive than just charging your own battery. But compared to petrol it will still be a lot cheaper.

Now if they can just make REAL Evs ie real cars with real size and real power for real life driving. that will be interesting to see!

I don't know...an overnight charge, or even an 6-8 hour charge at a parking garage would still be acceptable....

With a family car, I'd imagine the range might be a little lower (due to curb weight) but even so, a 250 mile range for something commodore/falcon sized would still be great...250 miles is still 402 kilometres

aggreed. This battery - assuming it is affordable - looks like quite a step up. and battery technology has been the biggest of the problems. size, range and recharge times are all pretty much just battery issues.

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Reply #64 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Hopefully they get the battery into mass production soon....

Although, I'm not all that sure that the 'silent operation' thing is all that great an idea....

Think of the pedestrian accident rate..If you can't hear it coming, there's a huge potential for people stepping in front of EVs, in shopping areas particularly...

Yes but no major problems to add sound effects to it. That's the least of your worries Wink

I was talking in terms of noise inside the cabin.

Ahh you meant road noise....
I was thinking of the old english electric trolley buses..The called them silent killers, they ended up adding something to them to make noise...

I doubt it'd be hard to do the same for an EV....

some EVs actually do make some noise for exactly this situation. In fact EV manufacturers ahve had odd problems like loud wipers and stuff liek that because there is no engine noise to mask it.

it wil certainly be good when proper EVs are available that can actually do what we want them to do. but gizmo, I'd be guessing you and I wil be driing them while toenail is still complaining about something else from the rented cump he lives in.

you're the one doing the complaining moron and you'll be the last to own an EV because it will never meet your ridiculous requirements. Like I said just stick to taking it up the arse at the fool bowser because you deserve to get ripped off with your Ford gas guzzling museum piece.

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Reply #65 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

he charger is the least of your problems. the 980Kw connection is the real problem. But putting recharge times back into a real-world scenario, a one hour charge would require 98Kw which is still beyond normal use but a three-phase system could provide 50Kw making it a 2 hour charge from dead-flat. if there were charging stations around town and at places along highways, combined with a 400mile range, a 1-2 hour recharge time makes it viable. Mind you the 400mile range is at highway conditions meaning that in traffic and low speeds it is more like 250miles. still pretty good but still needs to be said. The battery looks like a good step forward. If the battery technology improves then EVs have a future. I still wonder about replaceable batteries for distance travel tho. instead of the 2 hour wait - or more - just swap out batteries. I guess tho that that would be considerably more expensive than just charging your own battery. But compared to petrol it will still be a lot cheaper.

Now if they can just make REAL Evs ie real cars with real size and real power for real life driving. that will be interesting to see!

They don't have to make EV's to suit your stupid needs to be useful to most people. An EV that does 100 k's per charge is still more than adequate for daily commutes in Melbourne peak hour traffic. Why don't you get out of that backward county of yours and come to Melbourne and drive that gas guzzling bit of Ford junk of yours through Melbourne peak hour traffic and then tell us how useful an EV with a 100 k range would be. You'd be lucky if you didn't empty half a tank getting across the city in that ford poo heap of yours.

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #66 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:45pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Hopefully they get the battery into mass production soon....

Although, I'm not all that sure that the 'silent operation' thing is all that great an idea....

Think of the pedestrian accident rate..If you can't hear it coming, there's a huge potential for people stepping in front of EVs, in shopping areas particularly...

Yes but no major problems to add sound effects to it. That's the least of your worries Wink

I was talking in terms of noise inside the cabin.

Ahh you meant road noise....
I was thinking of the old english electric trolley buses..The called them silent killers, they ended up adding something to them to make noise...

I doubt it'd be hard to do the same for an EV....

some EVs actually do make some noise for exactly this situation. In fact EV manufacturers ahve had odd problems like loud wipers and stuff liek that because there is no engine noise to mask it.

it wil certainly be good when proper EVs are available that can actually do what we want them to do. but gizmo, I'd be guessing you and I wil be driing them while toenail is still complaining about something else from the rented cump he lives in.

you're the one doing the complaining moron and you'll be the last to own an EV because it will never meet your ridiculous requirements. Like I said just stick to taking it up the arse at the fool bowser because you deserve to get ripped off with your Ford gas guzzling museum piece.

you use the same totally fabricated argument every time. dont you get any NEW lies sometime losernail? the reast of us can have a balanced debate on EVs discussing pros and cons but no... not you. it is always 100% your way or you erupt with abuse and accusation and then fabricate the rest. and my 'ridiculous requirements' are the same requirements the rest of is - ie car owners - put on the cars we own NOW - that they do the job we demand of them.

you are not only an idiot but you are getting pathological about it.

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Reply #67 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:53pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

I don't know...an overnight charge, or even an 6-8 hour charge at a parking garage would still be acceptable....

With a family car, I'd imagine the range might be a little lower (due to curb weight) but even so, a 250 mile range for something commodore/falcon sized would still be great...250 miles is still 402 kilometres

It's got to be all or nothing with badweekend otherwise he wouldn't have anything to whinge about but somehow he forgets about the other following benefits of EV technology compared to his gas guzzling bit of unreliable crap. Let me re-iterate the benefits of EV's:-

- No ripoff petrol
- No getting ripped off on service and maintenance
- No oil changes
- No oil filter
- No filthy carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of
- No expensive transmission to pack up and maintain
- No spark plugs to change
- No timing belt to change
- No burnt out valves or piston rings
- No fuel filter to change
- No radiator and hoses to change
- No expensive fuel injectors to pack up or maintain
- No problems with contaminated fuel
- No exhaust pipe to change
- No toxic tail pipe emissions
- No green house gas emissions
- No catalytic converter
- Create your own energy at home using your own rooftop PV array
- Silent operation
- No wars fort over oil
- No environmentally damaging oil spills
- regenerative braking recovers lost energy when braking
- reduction in brake maintenance due to regenerative braking

Somehow badweekend doesn't believe that any of these are issues because the dumb moron is used to being screwed on these items. He likes being screwed on these things because it makes money for all of his mates in the auto industry Sad

Just imagine owning a mobile phone that need needed an oil change after every 200 phone calls. How f.cked up would that be as a modern piece of technology Sad

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Reply #68 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:45pm:

you use the same totally fabricated argument every time. dont you get any NEW lies sometime losernail? the reast of us can have a balanced debate on EVs discussing pros and cons but no... not you. it is always 100% your way or you erupt with abuse and accusation and then fabricate the rest. and my 'ridiculous requirements' are the same requirements the rest of is - ie car owners - put on the cars we own NOW - that they do the job we demand of them.

you are not only an idiot but you are getting pathological about it.

you are missing the point as usual. It's not about designing an EV for your use only. Other people have completely different requirements to you. AN EV that has a 100K range per charge is more than adequate for people who travel no more than 40- k's per day. Somehow you believe in your own twisted mind that nobody should be able to own and use this EV simply because it doesn't suit your stupid needs.

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Reply #69 - Apr 16^th, 2011 at 6:07am

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:53pm:

It's got to be all or nothing with badweekend otherwise he wouldn't have anything to whinge about but somehow he forgets about the other following benefits of EV technology compared to his gas guzzling bit of unreliable crap. Let me re-iterate the benefits of EV's:-

- No ripoff petrol
- No getting ripped off on service and maintenance
- No oil changes
- No oil filter
- No filthy carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of
- No expensive transmission to pack up and maintain
- No spark plugs to change
- No timing belt to change
- No burnt out valves or piston rings
- No fuel filter to change
- No radiator and hoses to change
- No expensive fuel injectors to pack up or maintain
- No problems with contaminated fuel
- No exhaust pipe to change
- No toxic tail pipe emissions
- No green house gas emissions
- No catalytic converter
- Create your own energy at home using your own rooftop PV array
- Silent operation
- No wars fort over oil
- No environmentally damaging oil spills
- regenerative braking recovers lost energy when braking
- reduction in brake maintenance due to regenerative braking

Somehow badweekend doesn't believe that any of these are issues because the dumb moron is used to being screwed on these items. He likes being screwed on these things because it makes money for all of his mates in the auto industry Sad

Just imagine owning a mobile phone that need needed an oil change after every 200 phone calls. How f.cked up would that be as a modern piece of technology Sad

None of which you are ever going to know about, because you will never get off your @rse and buy one, just continue to crap on about it.

You are the only person I know that continually goes on and on about something, whinging about how it's better than everything else, but has no intention of getting one.

Just man up and buy one already, it's getting really old.

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Reply #70 - Apr 16^th, 2011 at 7:34am

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

he charger is the least of your problems. the 980Kw connection is the real problem. But putting recharge times back into a real-world scenario, a one hour charge would require 98Kw which is still beyond normal use but a three-phase system could provide 50Kw making it a 2 hour charge from dead-flat. if there were charging stations around town and at places along highways, combined with a 400mile range, a 1-2 hour recharge time makes it viable. Mind you the 400mile range is at highway conditions meaning that in traffic and low speeds it is more like 250miles. still pretty good but still needs to be said. The battery looks like a good step forward. If the battery technology improves then EVs have a future. I still wonder about replaceable batteries for distance travel tho. instead of the 2 hour wait - or more - just swap out batteries. I guess tho that that would be considerably more expensive than just charging your own battery. But compared to petrol it will still be a lot cheaper.

Now if they can just make REAL Evs ie real cars with real size and real power for real life driving. that will be interesting to see!

They don't have to make EV's to suit your stupid needs to be useful to most people. An EV that does 100 k's per charge is still more than adequate for daily commutes in Melbourne peak hour traffic. Why don't you get out of that backward county of yours and come to Melbourne and drive that gas guzzling bit of Ford junk of yours through Melbourne peak hour traffic and then tell us how useful an EV with a 100 k range would be. You'd be lucky if you didn't empty half a tank getting across the city in that ford poo heap of yours.

And what about all the people who don't do daily commutes in Melbourne peak hour traffic???

Has it occurred to you, Nails, that THIS is the reason there are no locally made EVs??? And it's why Ford and Holden don't make them yet....there just isn't a big enough market for EVs...yet??

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Reply #71 - Apr 16^th, 2011 at 1:13pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 6:07am:

None of which you are ever going to know about, because you will never get off your @rse and buy one, just continue to crap on about it.

You are the only person I know that continually goes on and on about something, whinging about how it's better than everything else, but has no intention of getting one.

Just man up and buy one already, it's getting really old.

why don't you just piss off. You have got nothing to offer this debate as usual.

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Reply #72 - Apr 16^th, 2011 at 1:21pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

he charger is the least of your problems. the 980Kw connection is the real problem. But putting recharge times back into a real-world scenario, a one hour charge would require 98Kw which is still beyond normal use but a three-phase system could provide 50Kw making it a 2 hour charge from dead-flat. if there were charging stations around town and at places along highways, combined with a 400mile range, a 1-2 hour recharge time makes it viable. Mind you the 400mile range is at highway conditions meaning that in traffic and low speeds it is more like 250miles. still pretty good but still needs to be said. The battery looks like a good step forward. If the battery technology improves then EVs have a future. I still wonder about replaceable batteries for distance travel tho. instead of the 2 hour wait - or more - just swap out batteries. I guess tho that that would be considerably more expensive than just charging your own battery. But compared to petrol it will still be a lot cheaper.

Now if they can just make REAL Evs ie real cars with real size and real power for real life driving. that will be interesting to see!

They don't have to make EV's to suit your stupid needs to be useful to most people. An EV that does 100 k's per charge is still more than adequate for daily commutes in Melbourne peak hour traffic. Why don't you get out of that backward county of yours and come to Melbourne and drive that gas guzzling bit of Ford junk of yours through Melbourne peak hour traffic and then tell us how useful an EV with a 100 k range would be. You'd be lucky if you didn't empty half a tank getting across the city in that ford poo heap of yours.

And what about all the people who don't do daily commutes in Melbourne peak hour traffic???

Has it occurred to you, Nails, that THIS is the reason there are no locally made EVs??? And it's why Ford and Holden don't make them yet....there just isn't a big enough market for EVs...yet??

There's no market simply because people don't know about them because they can't buy them and can't even drive them.

and when the arse drops out of the large car market because people don't want to pay to fill them up so where exactly do you think the market will be heading as the cost of fuel keeps rising ?? Do you think people will be keen to pay $2-3 per liter at the pump whilst blowing it out of their exhaust pipe in peak hour stop-start traffic ??

You must be a complete bone head if you think the public will wear the cost of that old technology.

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Reply #73 - Apr 16^th, 2011 at 4:33pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 11:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

he charger is the least of your problems. the 980Kw connection is the real problem. But putting recharge times back into a real-world scenario, a one hour charge would require 98Kw which is still beyond normal use but a three-phase system could provide 50Kw making it a 2 hour charge from dead-flat. if there were charging stations around town and at places along highways, combined with a 400mile range, a 1-2 hour recharge time makes it viable. Mind you the 400mile range is at highway conditions meaning that in traffic and low speeds it is more like 250miles. still pretty good but still needs to be said. The battery looks like a good step forward. If the battery technology improves then EVs have a future. I still wonder about replaceable batteries for distance travel tho. instead of the 2 hour wait - or more - just swap out batteries. I guess tho that that would be considerably more expensive than just charging your own battery. But compared to petrol it will still be a lot cheaper.

Now if they can just make REAL Evs ie real cars with real size and real power for real life driving. that will be interesting to see!

They don't have to make EV's to suit your stupid needs to be useful to most people. An EV that does 100 k's per charge is still more than adequate for daily commutes in Melbourne peak hour traffic. Why don't you get out of that backward county of yours and come to Melbourne and drive that gas guzzling bit of Ford junk of yours through Melbourne peak hour traffic and then tell us how useful an EV with a 100 k range would be. You'd be lucky if you didn't empty half a tank getting across the city in that ford poo heap of yours.

And what about all the people who don't do daily commutes in Melbourne peak hour traffic???

Has it occurred to you, Nails, that THIS is the reason there are no locally made EVs??? And it's why Ford and Holden don't make them yet....there just isn't a big enough market for EVs...yet??

There's no market simply because people don't know about them because they can't buy them and can't even drive them.

and when the arse drops out of the large car market because people don't want to pay to fill them up so where exactly do you think the market will be heading as the cost of fuel keeps rising ?? Do you think people will be keen to pay $2-3 per liter at the pump whilst blowing it out of their exhaust pipe in peak hour stop-start traffic ??

You must be a complete bone head if you think the public will wear the cost of that old technology.

The arse has pretty much dropped out of the large car market already nails....That's why there are so many hybrids around now....

It's a more logical choice for a large section of the Australian city population.....most of the benefits of an EV, with the 'back up' of a petrol engine for long distance travel...

Once a true, long distance, mid-sized or better, equivalent priced EV hits the ground, that might change towards pure EV, but it hasn't happened yet.....

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #74 - Apr 16^th, 2011 at 6:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 4:33pm:

The arse has pretty much dropped out of the large car market already nails....That's why there are so many hybrids around now....

It's a more logical choice for a large section of the Australian city population.....most of the benefits of an EV, with the 'back up' of a petrol engine for long distance travel...

Once a true, long distance, mid-sized or better, equivalent priced EV hits the ground, that might change towards pure EV, but it hasn't happened yet.....

So if someone only commutes to work each day in peak hour traffic and does no more than 60 k's round trip they should still wait for an EV that has a range that allows them to drive from Melbourne to Sydney Wink

In the meanwhile they should be prepared to pay $1.50 to $2.00 per liter at the fool bowser whilst they wait for the proverbial EV that gets them from Melbourne to Sydney on one charge even though they would never drive that far. Yes that makes perfect sense doesn't it Cheesy

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