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Reply #30 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 6:58pm

Please delete wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

There was an announcement last year that in a lab, someone had made a battery wherein, due to the process of manufacture, all the electrons were somehow aligned, thus greatly reducing the resistance.

At the time, they made the same sort of claims - recharge a large battery in minutes.

And I feel that if the claim of 6 minutes were wrong, it would quickly be exposed. Surely the journalist would have noticed?

Ergo, there may be something to this.

A) You dont align electrons. you can however align DOMAINS in a material eg a magnetic one.
B) you noticed the company was reluctant to describe the power source? der... of course they were. they too would have to admit to needing a 980kw power supply.
C) getting 98Kw/hr of charge from anythign less than 98kw/hr of input breaks the fundamental laws of physics which is so obvious the journos didnt feel the need to remind people.
D) the battery sounds excellent but no technology allows you to generate electricty out of a vaccum.

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Reply #31 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 7:04pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 12:35pm:

Please delete wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

There was an announcement last year that in a lab, someone had made a battery wherein, due to the process of manufacture, all the electrons were somehow aligned, thus greatly reducing the resistance.

At the time, they made the same sort of claims - recharge a large battery in minutes.

And I feel that if the claim of 6 minutes were wrong, it would quickly be exposed. Surely the journalist would have noticed?

Ergo, there may be something to this.

6 minute charge is not the issue. If you can get the range and charge- recharge cycles you can live with an overnight charge or top up charge. That would suit my driving needs no problems and I know at least a dozen people straight off the bat for where it would be more than adequate for their driving needs Wink

of course its the issue moron! one of the serious limitations of EVs is recharge time. Range becomes less of a problem if you can recharge your car quickly. unlike you I see the WHOLE picture not your narrow little minds version of it. If this car could be recharged in 6 mins then thats faster than refuelling a car in general. even if you made it 18mins and suddenly the power source only had to be 300Kw it would still be remarkable.

My questioning of the power requirements were because you clearly had not thought of it. EVs are substantially less useful than fossil fuel cars at the moment for three reasons - range, refuelling time and cost. Everyone acknowledges those as the challenges and they are why EVs effectively do not exist on our roads. when they do, people will buy them. but not you. you will just complain about something and use it as an excuse to do do anything or buy anything just liek your gay friend Booby.

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #32 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 6:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 12:27am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 11:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 6:13pm:

Sounds like a good technology but for the technobuffs it might be worth pointing out that to charge a 98Kw/hr batter in 6 minutes would require at LEAST a 980Kw connection. anyone know where to get one of those other than connecting to an overland transmisison line??

With a 400 mile range and 5000 recharge cycles I'll adjust my driving habits thank you very much Wink

You just stick to being ripped off at the fool bowser like the rest of the losers Wink

LOL

clearly your paltry education doesnt allow you to understand the above argument. 400 mile range and 6 minute recharges sound great... until you think about what you have to plug it into - LITERALLY an electrical substation!

Once agin - longweekend finds fault with a good idea.
You don't have to charge it up quickly -
you can charge it up overnight - dummy
which is what 99% of people will do.

THE WHOLE Point of this battery is its ability to be quick charged. if youy dont care about quick charges then why post about it? but the real problem is that you didnt think of the power supply problem, did you? See, thats what happen when you go to school and university. you learn to THINK critically.

I never posted this thread - dummy.

Nail posted it as an interesting step in technology which
when high power outputs are available one day they could be used to charge it quickly.
You just want to always find fault with everything that Nail posts.
Go & post on another board - you troll.

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #33 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 7:14am

Scientists already knew that lithium nickel manganese oxide could store a lot of energy, but the material took too long to charge to be commercially useful. The MIT researchers set out to modify the material's structure to make it capable of charging and discharging more quickly.

Lithium nickel manganese oxide consists of layers of metal (nickel and manganese) separated from lithium layers by oxygen. The major problem with the compound was that the crystalline structure was too "disordered," meaning that the nickel and lithium were drawn to each other, interfering with the flow of lithium ions and slowing down the charging rate.

Lithium ions carry the battery's charge, so to maximize the speed at which the battery can charge and discharge, the researchers designed and synthesized a material with a very ordered crystalline structure, allowing lithium ions to freely flow between the metal layers.

A battery made from the new material can charge or discharge in about 10 minutes -- about 10 times faster than the unmodified lithium nickel manganese oxide. That brings it much closer to the timeframe needed for hybrid car batteries, Ceder said.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/5228/

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Reply #34 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 8:20am

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

The reason holden and ford are not developing this battery is not because they wasted all that money on other things; it's because the germans friggen invented it and the germans are developing it.

But, but, but....Paul and Bob said we would be the clever country with our economy based on Services and Tourism. Do you mean to say that driving all those smokestack industries, textile industries and manufacturing industries out of Oz has somehow left us with mining and not much else.

Wash your mouth out. The ALP stands for PROGRESS. Write that out 1000 times before you go to bed.

About the only innovation we have is the engine that Jack Brabham has invested money in. I think it's being developed on the Gold Coast. The other 'clever idea' is the one that got the US Army's interest so much so that they sent one of their trucks to Oz for testing. The US Army is the biggest vehicle fleet in the world and the alleged savings of about 30% in fuel sure got their attention. I will post some details after lunch.

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Reply #35 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 8:52am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 6:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 12:27am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 11:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 6:13pm:

Sounds like a good technology but for the technobuffs it might be worth pointing out that to charge a 98Kw/hr batter in 6 minutes would require at LEAST a 980Kw connection. anyone know where to get one of those other than connecting to an overland transmisison line??

With a 400 mile range and 5000 recharge cycles I'll adjust my driving habits thank you very much Wink

You just stick to being ripped off at the fool bowser like the rest of the losers Wink

LOL

clearly your paltry education doesnt allow you to understand the above argument. 400 mile range and 6 minute recharges sound great... until you think about what you have to plug it into - LITERALLY an electrical substation!

Once agin - longweekend finds fault with a good idea.
You don't have to charge it up quickly -
you can charge it up overnight - dummy
which is what 99% of people will do.

THE WHOLE Point of this battery is its ability to be quick charged. if youy dont care about quick charges then why post about it? but the real problem is that you didnt think of the power supply problem, did you? See, thats what happen when you go to school and university. you learn to THINK critically.

I never posted this thread - dummy.

Nail posted it as an interesting step in technology which
when high power outputs are available one day they could be used to charge it quickly.
You just want to always find fault with everything that Nail posts.
Go & post on another board - you troll.

so you finally acknowledge that you nee very high power inputs to charge it? well that only took you a few days to finally understand it. thats faster than usual. maybe you are actually learning something from your betters!

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes Reply #36 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 9:06am No response to the link I posted longweekend? I note too that you haven't provided the 100 cases of lives being saved by would be heroes, in the other thread. I would be most interested.
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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #37 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 6:58pm:

Please delete wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

There was an announcement last year that in a lab, someone had made a battery wherein, due to the process of manufacture, all the electrons were somehow aligned, thus greatly reducing the resistance.

At the time, they made the same sort of claims - recharge a large battery in minutes.

And I feel that if the claim of 6 minutes were wrong, it would quickly be exposed. Surely the journalist would have noticed?

Ergo, there may be something to this.

A) You dont align electrons. you can however align DOMAINS in a material eg a magnetic one.
B) you noticed the company was reluctant to describe the power source? der... of course they were. they too would have to admit to needing a 980kw power supply.
C) getting 98Kw/hr of charge from anythign less than 98kw/hr of input breaks the fundamental laws of physics which is so obvious the journos didnt feel the need to remind people.
D) the battery sounds excellent but no technology allows you to generate electricty out of a vaccum.

now it's the power source that is the problem. first it was the range and now it's power source Sad

what problem will be next ??

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #38 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 8:52am:

so you finally acknowledge that you nee very high power inputs to charge it? well that only took you a few days to finally understand it. thats faster than usual. maybe you are actually learning something from your betters!

It's not an issue if you don't want to charge it quickly. Do it over night like most normal people would !!

Look at the pros -

- No ripoff petrol
- No getting ripped off on service and maintenance
- No oil changes
- No oil filter
- No filthy carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of
- No transmission to pack up and maintain
- No spark plugs to change
- No timing belt to change
- No fuel filter to change
- No radiator and hoses to change
- No fuel injectors to pack up
- No problems with contaminated fuel
- No exhaust pipe to change
- No toxic tail pipe emissions
- No green house gas emissions
- No catalytic converter
- Create your own energy at home using your own rooftop PV array
- Silent operation
- No wars fort over oil
- No environmentally damaging oil spills

The list of benefits is endless Wink

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #39 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:13pm:

I never posted this thread - dummy.

Nail posted it as an interesting step in technology which
when high power outputs are available one day they could be used to charge it quickly.
You just want to always find fault with everything that Nail posts.
Go & post on another board - you troll.

He just wants to reassure himself that his investment in his fossil fool gas guzzling clunker wasn't a bad investment Wink

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #40 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:58pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:13pm:

I never posted this thread - dummy.

Nail posted it as an interesting step in technology which
when high power outputs are available one day they could be used to charge it quickly.
You just want to always find fault with everything that Nail posts.
Go & post on another board - you troll.

He just wants to reassure himself that his investment in his fossil fool gas guzzling clunker wasn't a bad investment Wink

LOL

Nail,
Longweekend is just a troublemaker who should have been banned long ago.

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #41 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 1:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 8:13pm:

I never posted this thread - dummy.

Nail posted it as an interesting step in technology which
when high power outputs are available one day they could be used to charge it quickly.
You just want to always find fault with everything that Nail posts.
Go & post on another board - you troll.

He just wants to reassure himself that his investment in his fossil fool gas guzzling clunker wasn't a bad investment Wink

LOL

Nail,
Longweekend is just a troublemaker who should have been banned long ago.

If they claim the battery can be charged in minutes and someone has verified the claim then what is the problem ?? The claim as stated in the title of the thread is true irrespective of the size of the power source required. Of course nobody is going to use the batteries like that because of the obvious physical requirements, but it's typical of a dumb arse liberal Luddite to want to can the idea whilst promoting his old rubbish technology that needs constant and expensive maintenance and expensive fuel supply. Somehow the cost of running a fossil fool vehicle is never an issue for the idiot because he is so wealthy

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #43 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 1:56pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 6:58pm:

Please delete wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

There was an announcement last year that in a lab, someone had made a battery wherein, due to the process of manufacture, all the electrons were somehow aligned, thus greatly reducing the resistance.

At the time, they made the same sort of claims - recharge a large battery in minutes.

And I feel that if the claim of 6 minutes were wrong, it would quickly be exposed. Surely the journalist would have noticed?

Ergo, there may be something to this.

A) You dont align electrons. you can however align DOMAINS in a material eg a magnetic one.
B) you noticed the company was reluctant to describe the power source? der... of course they were. they too would have to admit to needing a 980kw power supply.
C) getting 98Kw/hr of charge from anythign less than 98kw/hr of input breaks the fundamental laws of physics which is so obvious the journos didnt feel the need to remind people.
D) the battery sounds excellent but no technology allows you to generate electricty out of a vaccum.

now it's the power source that is the problem. first it was the range and now it's power source Sad

what problem will be next ??

LOL

among the many claims you have made you have said you are an electrical engineer. surely then, you should have zero trouble understanding how a huge power source is needed. or does that explanation need to be dumbed down evern further?

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Re: Cost-effective EV battery recharges in minutes
Reply #44 - Apr 15^th, 2011 at 1:57pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 8:52am:

so you finally acknowledge that you nee very high power inputs to charge it? well that only took you a few days to finally understand it. thats faster than usual. maybe you are actually learning something from your betters!

It's not an issue if you don't want to charge it quickly. Do it over night like most normal people would !!

Look at the pros -

- No ripoff petrol
- No getting ripped off on service and maintenance
- No oil changes
- No oil filter
- No filthy carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of
- No transmission to pack up and maintain
- No spark plugs to change
- No timing belt to change
- No fuel filter to change
- No radiator and hoses to change
- No fuel injectors to pack up
- No problems with contaminated fuel
- No exhaust pipe to change
- No toxic tail pipe emissions
- No green house gas emissions
- No catalytic converter
- Create your own energy at home using your own rooftop PV array
- Silent operation
- No wars fort over oil
- No environmentally damaging oil spills

The list of benefits is endless Wink

then what is the value of this so-called miracle battery if you DONT charge it quickly? there are a heap of other batteries that charge slowly already. as usual, you really dont understand this issue from a pragmatic perspective.

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