sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:27am:


I see your point.
However for Israel to follow those non binding UN Resolutions would place that country at serious risk again.
And after four wars fought to the knife fighting for it's survival with the UN sitting pat, the Israeli's quite possibly don't believe they should place themselves in harms way by obeying Resolutions that the perfidious Arab League has hammered through.
After all, it was the Arab League attacking Israel prior, so perhaps they should have made war better?
You think they would have ever created a 'Palestine' if they wiped Israel off the map in one of their four wars of aggression.
Of course not, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt would have kept the spoils of war and the UN would have redrawn the map.
And that could well be the reason why Europe and the US haven't ever been jumping up and down over Israel's non compliance.
Or made a fuss over Israel's supposed nuclear capability.
Lets be honest here, no-one gives a crap about Israel and the UN isn't prepared to guarantee Israel's security, so Israel must do it for themselves.
What's the UN doing about Hezbollah's refusal to disarm despite Resolution 1701.
Well, nothing of course as it's what they do.
Their quite happy for Hezbollah to re-arm right under the nose of those thumbsuckers in UNIFIL, right up till the day they attack Israel again just like in 2006.
And then they will berate Israel for responding.
Israel has danced this two step before, so it's nothing new.
Was it the UN that stopped and searched that Iranian ship in the Med with long range missiles onboard bound for Gaza two weeks ago?
No, that was the Israeli's that seized that ship and armaments, and they make no apology for doing so.
You might like to see what Mr Goldstone has to say nowadays about his one eyed report on Israel's response to Hamas ongoing aggression in 2008.
It's as close to admitting he was wrong in his assessment as we are ever going to see, and Israel is now rightfully demanding a retraction of the report.
The world doesn't condemn the thirty other countries which have or had walls put up for security reasons, and the days are gone where an army marches in and massacres the inhabitants as what would have happened in the past.
So a wall is the next best thing when dealing with people who even after all these decades are still seeking your death, don't you think.
I'm afraid the days are gone where the jews shuffled naked and silently in the snow on their way to the shower block, only to end up in the chimney smoke.
Nowadays  they carry a very big stick and are not afraid to use it.
It's been 63 years, the genie is out of the bottle and I'm afraid it won't go back in.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 1:38pm:

wrong again, chicken lips.

There is a long history of jew hatred from muslims this goes back to the time of Mohammad and this Arab -Jew problem is based on dusty old books from the dark ages that are riddled with absurd superstitions its really a religious conflict.

Its funny how muslims will deny that Israel ever existed yet the simple fact is the Quran even mentions Israel,muslims say the Quran was written by Allah therefore we can say Allah even recognises Israel.
This verse is usually taken out of context by muslims Lestat did it today to promote propaganda about Islam somehow being about peace yet they tend to leave the first part of the Sura out because it applies to jews and not muslims.
Quran 5:32 -" We have decreed upon the children of Israel" -How does this verse apply to muslims are they called children of Israel?
www.quran.com/5/32

This cleric from Egypt says muslims will still hate the Jews even if they give Palestine back and do not occupy anything.
It is very clear in the Quran and hadiths that muslims will always hate the Jews.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY

This is the list of rocket attacks on Israel so far this year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2011

Here is a video of Hezbollah firing rockets from an apartment building.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMIi7L1fbUU

Lots of videos on youtube showing ham-ass and Hezbollah firing rockets at Israel.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 1:35pm:


What complete jibberish.  When in war you must have some level of duty of care.  None of this excuses that fact that Israel killed thousands of civilians and in return had a few injured soldiers.  That is not warfare; it's a massacre. 

Not to mention that the events you describe happened in the past.  I would've thought that we can move on and stop feeling so vulnerable, especially considering Israel is the only state in the middle east regarded as a western democracy. trust me when I say the US can threaten all they want, but they'll always be Israel's ally, and the middle east is still way too weak to even consider trying to destroy the state.

And finding missiles in the boat is not the UN responsibility considering that the current embargo on the Gaza strip is an Israeli initiative.

As the bigger party in this, Israel needs to stop aggression and drive the dialogue; not continuously try and remind the world of the holocaust and use it as justification for their current actions. 

If anything, the holocaust was a tragic event that caused significant pain to many families, including my own.  And for me, knowing that it had impacted on my family, its continued use as justification for the slaughter of thousands of innocent Palestinians, and continual outcry of antisemitism whenever the issue is raised, is an insult.

One more thing: For all the right wing nutjobs on this forum who celebrate Israel's aggression on the Palestinians just remember how you feel about refugees coming into this country.  

You don't like it that people come and "take our resources and use them up" yet you have absolutely no problem with Israelis settling Palestinian land, and then pushing Palestinians out because of Zionism.  

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 2:39pm:


Proven illegal by ???
Left wing sites don't count, and Goldstone is backing away from his one sided report.
What democracy or nation on the planet is not going to repond to 6000 missiles and mortar rounds landing in their streets.
You need to get real here.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:


Noone is saying don't respond.  Respond, but make it a justified response.  THAT'S the actual argument. Counter-aggression doesn't help noone, and in this case was illegal.

Glad to see you once again misunderstood.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 3:35pm:


No misunderstanding at all here.
I'm not the one who thinks war is a game, you are.
Perhaps the lawyers should be the ones on the front lines in Israel, and they can lecture the troops about fairness, proportionality and the correct use of weapons.