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Greens caught out over Israel
Apr 7^th, 2011 at 6:56am

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-senators-caught-out-over-israel/story-fn59niix-1226034974787

TWO Greens senators have publicly supported calls for Australian sanctions against Israel over the Middle East conflict, putting them at odds with party policy and their leader Bob Brown.

West Australian senator Scott Ludlam last year demanded an arms embargo on Israel, which he described as "a rogue state", while South Australian colleague Sarah Hanson-Young addressed a rally where protesters called on Australia to sever ties with the Jewish state.

The stance by the two senators conflicts with Senator Brown's assurance last week that his federal party was not anti-Israel and did not support the NSW branch of the party advocating sanctions against Israel.

The Coalition last night labelled the Greens "reds", while the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council called on Senator Hanson-Young to visit Israel before jumping to conclusions.

Senator Brown yesterday refused to comment on the activities of his senators and directed The Australian to his party's policy on Israel, which clearly advocated a peaceful two-state solution.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Greens caught out over Israel Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 7:20am if Brown doesnt get them under control their vote will plunge. Australia is very pro-israel and has a very low opinion of anti-semitism. bye bye Greens!!!
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Greens caught out over Israel Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 7:24am they are really just starting to show their political colours dont you think?... its always been about whales and trees very safe...lol..just goes to show what a smiggin of POWER can do to anyone.
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Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 10:20am

Hanson-thingy I can well believe it of (to end with a preposition).
But I better say no more about the Greens & anti-semitism. I have made myself a pariah by linking the Greens with anti-semitism, in spite of the fact that these reports keep coming out which point to more & more of the Greens having distinctly anti-semitic points of view.
Is it OK if I say the Greens are god-fearing then?

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Tony Bradshaw Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 348 Sydney Gender:	Re: Greens caught out over Israel Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:13am Andrew Bolt equated the Greens with cancer on ABC TV's Insiders last Sunday
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Greens caught out over Israel Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:15am Tony Bradshaw wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:13am: Andrew Bolt equated the Greens with cancer on ABC TV's Insiders last Sunday Hmmmm I know you're new and all, but I'd make the point that it never helps you in any argument when quoting Bolt.
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Re: Greens caught out over Israel
Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:15am

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 10:20am:

Hanson-thingy I can well believe it of (to end with a preposition).
But I better say no more about the Greens & anti-semitism. I have made myself a pariah by linking the Greens with anti-semitism, in spite of the fact that these reports keep coming out which point to more & more of the Greens having distinctly anti-semitic points of view.
Is it OK if I say the Greens are god-fearing then?

Being anti-Israel is NOT being anti-semitic, unless one is intent on maintaining a persecution complex.

Just to remind you, christians have persecuted the jewry quite a lot, too.

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Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:21am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:13am:

Andrew Bolt equated the Greens with cancer on ABC TV's Insiders last Sunday

Hmmmm I know you're new and all, but I'd make the point that it never helps you in any argument when quoting Bolt.

I agree. I just thought it a really extreme thing to say even for Bolt

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Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:27am

I haven't read all the propaganda rubbish in our wonderful newspapers, but I don't understand how being anti-israel means you are an anti-Semite?

Israel is a democratic state that has time and time again broken international law. It's as simple as that, and it is normal left-leaning thinking that states who break international law and cause harm to millions of people should be condemned. I have no problem condemning Israeli governments over the past 40 years , just like I have no problem condemning the Libyan government, Hamas, Mugabi, etc, because all have cause atrocities and broken international law.

Of course the right wing nuts don't see it this way because according to them in the end Palestinians are arabs and as such should be exterminated because no doubt they are jihadist terrorists who are itching at getting on a boat to come to australia to spread their culture and bomb everything, and ruin society.

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Re: Greens caught out over Israel
Reply #9 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:31am

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:13am:

Andrew Bolt equated the Greens with cancer on ABC TV's Insiders last Sunday

Well bugger me it must be true if our lord Bolt says so.
Let me just premiss my next statement, no bugger it you guys push your agendas & only see what you want anyway.
Criticizing Israel as a nation for it's actions is NOT antisemitic
Criticizing a person of Jewish faith for wrongdoing is NOT antisemitic
Abusing,demonizing or ostracising someone or a whole nation BECAUSE OF THEIR JEWISH faith IS antisemitic.

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Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, and/or religion. In its extreme form, it "attributes to the Jews an exceptional position among all other civilizations, defames them as an inferior group and denies their being part of the nation[s]" in which they reside.[1] A person who holds such views is called an "antisemite".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
But don't let the true meaning & understanding of a word get in your way of making your political point.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Greens caught out over Israel Reply #10 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:44am Hmmmm I know you're new and all, but I'd make the point that it never helps you in any argument when quoting Bolt. > You on the other hand are not new but bugger all seems to help you in any argument.
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Reply #11 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:54am

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Hmmmm I know you're new and all, but I'd make the point that it never helps you in any argument when quoting Bolt. >

You on the other hand are not new but bugger all seems to help you in any argument.

aha, please forgive me I usually do more than post an article from a newspaper and then put a 2 liner in saying, " I agree with this." and then put in some completley useless garbage attacking the person rather than the point, and go hide.

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Reply #12 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:55am

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:21am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:13am:

Andrew Bolt equated the Greens with cancer on ABC TV's Insiders last Sunday

Hmmmm I know you're new and all, but I'd make the point that it never helps you in any argument when quoting Bolt.

I agree. I just thought it a really extreme thing to say even for Bolt

He also compared our democracy to, I quote:
"1933 Germany"
His nothing more than a media harlot who will say & do anything for attention.

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Reply #13 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:55am

You mightn't like Bolt, but I reckon Martin Luther King is worth quoting:

Lieberman: Anti-Israel views are anti-Semitism
Thursday, December 17, 2009 | Israel Today Staff

Most people would agree that anti-Semitism is a bad thing, even those who are actually anti-Semitic. They would also accuse Jews of being too sensitive on the topic, even as they unleash unprecedented criticism of Israel.

But Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Wednesday said he and many others are not fooled - today's anti-Israel sentiments are actually age-old anti-Semitism in a new disguise.

"Modern anti-Semitism has taken on the form of being anti-Israel... Instead of saying 'throw the Jews into the sea,' they talk of a world without Zionism, and without Israel," Lieberman said at the Foreign Ministry's third annual Global Forum for Combating Anti-Semitism.

This new form of anti-Semitism is actually far more dangerous, suggested Lieberman. Instead of lowest elements lashing out at Jews in vile hatred, anti-Israelism is spearheaded by society's elite academics, power brokers and human rights groups that are viewed as inherently good and is couched in eloquent language. But the goal is the same, warned Lieberman. These people "seek to destroy Israel piece by piece."

Lieberman is by no means the first public figure to equate modern anti-Israel or anti-Zionist sentiment to anti-Semitism.

The most famous progenitor of this way of thinking was Dr. Martin Luther King, who upon being approached at a fund-raising event by a student attacking Israel and the Zionists responded thus:

"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism."

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Reply #14 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:57am

Maeve wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

You mightn't like Bolt, but I reckon Martin Luther King is worth quoting:

Lieberman: Anti-Israel views are anti-Semitism
Thursday, December 17, 2009 | Israel Today Staff

Most people would agree that anti-Semitism is a bad thing, even those who are actually anti-Semitic. They would also accuse Jews of being too sensitive on the topic, even as they unleash unprecedented criticism of Israel.

But Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Wednesday said he and many others are not fooled - today's anti-Israel sentiments are actually age-old anti-Semitism in a new disguise.

"Modern anti-Semitism has taken on the form of being anti-Israel... Instead of saying 'throw the Jews into the sea,' they talk of a world without Zionism, and without Israel," Lieberman said at the Foreign Ministry's third annual Global Forum for Combating Anti-Semitism.

This new form of anti-Semitism is actually far more dangerous, suggested Lieberman. Instead of lowest elements lashing out at Jews in vile hatred, anti-Israelism is spearheaded by society's elite academics, power brokers and human rights groups that are viewed as inherently good and is couched in eloquent language. But the goal is the same, warned Lieberman. These people "seek to destroy Israel piece by piece."

Lieberman is by no means the first public figure to equate modern anti-Israel or anti-Zionist sentiment to anti-Semitism.

The most famous progenitor of this way of thinking was Dr. Martin Luther King, who upon being approached at a fund-raising event by a student attacking Israel and the Zionists responded thus:

"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism."

Zionists aren't all jews. It's a political movement. Hence not anti-semitic.

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